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ShowtimeSBMVP · 09:02 AM

Malaysia Airlines says it has lost contact with a plane with 239 aboard enroute from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The airline said in a statement early Saturday it was attempting to locate the Boeing 777 after it lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2:40 a.m. It was scheduled to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m.

China's state-run news agency Xinhua reported the plane was lost in airspace controlled by Vietnam, and did not make contact with Chinese air traffic controllers.

The plane is carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members. The airline said it is working with authorities to locate the plane.

Boeing said on its Twitter account it is monitoring the situation, and "our thoughts are with everyone on board."

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**Rain Man** · 03-14-2014, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, you can hear it if you're on an Airbus and are sitting in the front.

Does it yell or something? What's the sound?

I must confess that the sounds of flaps and landing gear always make me jump. I don't like hearing sudden sounds on airplanes.

**Donger** · 03-14-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Does it yell or something? What's the sound?

It's a triple tone, almost a trill, if you will.

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I must confess that the sounds of flaps and landing gear always make me jump. I don't like hearing sudden sounds on airplanes.

I was on flight a few weeks ago that you wouldn't have liked. When were climbing out, heading to Seattle. I started to fall asleep and about five minutes later, there was a loud bang and the sound of rushing wind. I woke up and everyone was looking around at each other. We stopped climbing and slowed down really quickly. Looking out the window, I expected to see a blown up engine or something. It wasn't that, but our ground speed was REALLY slow. A flight attendant rushed up and got on the phone with the flight crew. I looked at her and raised my eyebrows, and she just ignored me.

About ten minutes later, the wind noise went away and we started climbing again.

About five minutes after that, the pilot came on to explain what happened, which was nice of him. He said that they had a really high brake temperature warning, and instead of declaring an emergency and going back to DIA, they chose to drop the gear to cool it off. Unfortunately, they did so at a much higher speed than normal. So, of course, I'm wondering what was going to happen when we got to Seattle.

**Baby Lee** · 03-14-2014, 11:42 AM

I've told this here before, Im sure. But the freakiest thing I experienced on a flight was looking out the window and seeing one of the rivets on the leading edge of the wing sitting up like a middle finger. It was literally displaced 3 inches out of it's slot. When we landed it just slipped back into place.

**alnorth** · 03-14-2014, 12:06 PM

I read someone else making a pretty good point about this flight. The last communication from the pilot was to say good-night to the Malaysian air traffic controllers because they were leaving their airspace and control was going to be switched to the air traffic controllers in Vietnam. It was soon after that when things started happening.

If you were going to steal the plane, whether you are the pilot or a hijacker, thats a really good time to do it. Malaysia is not paying any attention to you because they handed you off, and Vietnam isn't paying any attention to you because you haven't contacted them yet.

There are a lot of scenarios out there about electrical failure or whatever to explain the communications systems shutting off, but isn't that a weird coincidence to happen then of all times? Why didn't things go wrong while the Malaysian or Vietnam air traffic controllers were in control? Why would it happen in between when no one is paying attention to you?

Reerun_KC · 03-14-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, you can hear it if you're on an Airbus and are sitting in the front.

Just curious how you hear them turn off an on the autopilot?

Reerun_KC · 03-14-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Does it yell or something? What's the sound?

I must confess that the sounds of flaps and landing gear always make me jump. I don't like hearing sudden sounds on airplanes.

Most of the time you don't year anything in the back.. The pilots will hear an audible tone in their headsets when they disengage the autopilot...

You might feel the plane adjust to the trim difference from autopilot to hand flying...

But not sure passengers hear anything...

BIG_DADDY · 03-14-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I read someone else making a pretty good point about this flight. The last communication from the pilot was to say good-night to the Malaysian air traffic controllers because they were leaving their airspace and control was going to be switched to the air traffic controllers in Vietnam. It was soon after that when things started happening.

If you were going to steal the plane, whether you are the pilot or a hijacker, thats a really good time to do it. Malaysia is not paying any attention to you because they handed you off, and Vietnam isn't paying any attention to you because you haven't contacted them yet.

There are a lot of scenarios out there about electrical failure or whatever to explain the communications systems shutting off, but isn't that a weird coincidence to happen then of all times? Why didn't things go wrong while the Malaysian or Vietnam air traffic controllers were in control? Why would it happen in between when no one is paying attention to you?

For the same reason every light is red when you're in a hurry.

**Donger** · 03-14-2014, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Most of the time you don't year anything in the back.. The pilots will hear an audible tone in their headsets when they disengage the autopilot...

You might feel the plane adjust to the trim difference from autopilot to hand flying...

But not sure passengers hear anything...

See 302

Reerun_KC · 03-14-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I read someone else making a pretty good point about this flight. The last communication from the pilot was to say good-night to the Malaysian air traffic controllers because they were leaving their airspace and control was going to be switched to the air traffic controllers in Vietnam. It was soon after that when things started happening.

If you were going to steal the plane, whether you are the pilot or a hijacker, thats a really good time to do it. Malaysia is not paying any attention to you because they handed you off, and Vietnam isn't paying any attention to you because you haven't contacted them yet.

There are a lot of scenarios out there about electrical failure or whatever to explain the communications systems shutting off, but isn't that a weird coincidence to happen then of all times? Why didn't things go wrong while the Malaysian or Vietnam air traffic controllers were in control? Why would it happen in between when no one is paying attention to you?

That's not really how it happens... If you are getting handed off from one controller to another, they know you are being handed off and are standing by waiting for you.

Malaysia would have to let Vietnam know that they were being handed off...

Reerun_KC · 03-14-2014, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

See 302

Did you check your pants?

**Donger** · 03-14-2014, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Did you check your pants?

I meant the triple tone thing. But, no, it startled me but I didn't lose control of my bodily functions.

**alnorth** · 03-14-2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

That's not really how it happens... If you are getting handed off from one controller to another, they know you are being handed off and are standing by waiting for you.

Malaysia would have to let Vietnam know that they were being handed off...

There's a large sea in between, though. What you described is common in the continental US, but in a situation like that, you have to go a short time with no air traffic control, and THAT is when things happen, not before or after?

Reerun_KC · 03-14-2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

I meant the triple tone thing. But, no, it startled me but I didn't lose control of my bodily functions.

Normally the when the AP is engaged or disengaged passengers never hear it.

99.9% of Airliners have rules and regs about autopilot... Most require AP to be on and engaged 100% of the time above 3000 feet.

Trust me you don't want to be in a jet doing 450 kts at 35000 ft with a person hand flying it. Passengers would not be happy.

Sully · 03-14-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Normally the when the AP is engaged or disengaged passengers never hear it.

99.9% of Airliners have rules and regs about autopilot... Most require AP to be on and engaged 100% of the time above 3000 feet.

Trust me you don't want to be in a jet doing 450 kts at 35000 ft with a person hand flying it. Passengers would not be happy.

Is it just a matter of not having a smooth enough ride, or what? This is fascinating (especially for someone afraid of human flight).

**mlyonsd** · 03-14-2014, 12:34 PM

Can the pilot turn off the flow of oxygen to the passenger cabin?

I'm going with murder suicide. One of the pilots kills the others in the cockpit, turns off the oxygen to kill everyone in the back, then flies somewhere far off his flight plan and sets it down in the water as gently as possible to minimize debris. Just to get the last laugh.

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alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	I read someone else making a pretty good point about this flight. The last communication from the pilot was to say good-night to the Malaysian air traffic controllers because they were leaving their airspace and control was going to be switched to the air traffic controllers in Vietnam. It was soon after that when things started happening. If you were going to steal the plane, whether you are the pilot or a hijacker, thats a really good time to do it. Malaysia is not paying any attention to you because they handed you off, and Vietnam isn't paying any attention to you because you haven't contacted them yet. There are a lot of scenarios out there about electrical failure or whatever to explain the communications systems shutting off, but isn't that a weird coincidence to happen then of all times? Why didn't things go wrong while the Malaysian or Vietnam air traffic controllers were in control? Why would it happen in between when no one is paying attention to you? __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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