*** Official Youth, High School, College and International Wrestling Thread ***

[GloryDayz]

Changing channel. This is dumb! **** OSU...

[rico]

And he (Cox) is a Psych major...I wish I had the opportunity to let him know how much of a mistake that is.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by rico

And he (Cox) is a Psych major...I wish I had the opportunity to let him know how much of a mistake that is.

He actually wants to be a creative writing teacher for deaf students. He lost all of the hearing in his left ear this year.

[rico]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He actually wants to be a creative writing teacher for deaf students. He lost all of the hearing in his left ear this year.

Nice! That's pretty admirable. Sounds like a great kid!

[rico]

I wonder what team will end up landing Spencer Lee in a couple years...

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

I wonder what team will end up landing Spencer Lee in a couple years...

Dude is such a beast. There's a reason PSU hasn't been recruiting a 125 pounder. Hope it doesn't backfire on them.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Ok, So after some research it appears that Cox weighed in at 95.8 KG in a FS tournament last spring (about 211 pounds). Weight limit was 97kg so he made it comfortably.

Some notable weights of National qualifier Heavies in various tournaments last spring

Marsden (OSU)- 262
Coon (Mich)- 261
Jensen (Nebraska)- 250
Cabell (UNI)- 222
Dejournette (App st)- 252
Medberry (Wisc)- 253
Mellon (Mizzou) -250
Stolfi (Bucknell)- 244
Tavanello (tOSU)- 250
Vollaro (Lehigh)- 269
Walz (VTech)- 250
Kettler (George Mason)- cut to 275
Deul (Binghamton)- 258
Gwiazdowski (NCState)- 260
Kroells (Minn)- 248
Black (ILL)- 263
Ryan (Colombia)- 254

Id say of all the Heavies, Kroells has the biggest problem with being oversized. He still placed 8th though. Seems like the magic number for Cox would be to get to 245. Not sure if he could get there or maintain it, but I like his chances even if a bit undersized. He could be like Kerry McCoy (yeah yeah comparison because he's black)

[rico]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Ok, So after some research it appears that Cox weighed in at 95.8 KG in a FS tournament last spring (about 211 pounds). Weight limit was 97kg so he made it comfortably.

Some notable weights of National qualifier Heavies in various tournaments last spring

Marsden (OSU)- 262
Coon (Mich)- 261
Jensen (Nebraska)- 250
Cabell (UNI)- 222
Dejournette (App st)- 252
Medberry (Wisc)- 253
Mellon (Mizzou) -250
Stolfi (Bucknell)- 244
Tavanello (tOSU)- 250
Vollaro (Lehigh)- 269
Walz (VTech)- 250
Kettler (George Mason)- cut to 275
Deul (Binghamton)- 258
Gwiazdowski (NCState)- 260
Kroells (Minn)- 248
Black (ILL)- 263
Ryan (Colombia)- 254

Id say of all the Heavies, Kroells has the biggest problem with being oversized. He still placed 8th though. Seems like the magic number for Cox would be to get to 245. Not sure if he could get there or maintain it, but I like his chances even if a bit undersized. He could be like Kerry McCoy (yeah yeah comparison because he's black)

I stand corrected on my thinking earlier... That is some interesting stuff. I think J'Den would do just fine at HWT.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

I stand corrected on my thinking earlier... That is some interesting stuff. I think J'Den would do just fine at HWT.

Well it wasn't too long ago we had immovable fatties like Cole Konrad and Dustin Fox winning championships. I think Sam Stoll is going to try and bring back the fat for Iowa next year.
I think some of it has to do with the popularity of football. If you're the type to have to lose weight to make 285, you're likely a football player and not a wrestler.


As far as adding a weight, id rather see one added in the middle weights since participation numbers support that thinking. But if we could bump 197 up to 210, id be ok with that. Someone 225-230 could reasonably get there. Something like:

127
135
144
152
160
169
180
192
210
285

[rico]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Well it wasn't too long ago we had immovable fatties like Cole Konrad and Dustin Fox winning championships. I think Sam Stoll is going to try and bring back the fat for Iowa next year.
I think some of it has to do with the popularity of football. If you're the type to have to lose weight to make 285, you're likely a football player and not a wrestler.


As far as adding a weight, id rather see one added in the middle weights since participation numbers support that thinking. But if we could bump 197 up to 210, id be ok with that. Someone 225-230 could reasonably get there. Something like:

127
135
144
152
160
169
180
192
210
285

I like that idea a lot.

What about the tiny dudes who have a difficult time gaining enough weight to wrestle 125? They are out there. Do you think a 118 lb class would work? I wrestled in college with a guy who was a complete badass and no matter what he did, he couldn't outgrow 115 lbs. He hit the weights religiously, went on weight gaining diets, etc....he could just not overcome the fact that he was 4'10 and never going to reach 126. And he was GOOD. One of the hardest workers in the room, for...sure. One of the best, most physical wrestlers. He was just too small. If there was a weight suitable for him, he would be 3rd tier D1 material... A guy who would probably make some noise and maybe win some matches at nationals. Instead, he was 2nd string D3 at 125 his entire career, weighing 116 on full feed and won 65% or so of his matches. Sad stuff...he had so much heart.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

I like that idea a lot.

What about the tiny dudes who have a difficult time gaining enough weight to wrestle 125? They are out there. Do you think a 118 lb class would work? I wrestled in college with a guy who was a complete badass and no matter what he did, he couldn't outgrow 115 lbs. He hit the weights religiously, went on weight gaining diets, etc....he could just not overcome the fact that he was 4'10 and never going to reach 126. And he was GOOD. One of the hardest workers in the room, for...sure. One of the best, most physical wrestlers. He was just too small. If there was a weight suitable for him, he would be 3rd tier D1 material... A guy who would probably make some noise and maybe win some matches at nationals. Instead, he was 2nd string D3 at 125 his entire career, weighing 116 on full feed and won 65% or so of his matches. Sad stuff...he had so much heart.

I think a watered down weight like 118 would be bad for the sport. I know wrestling wants to be the sport that includes everybody, but i don't share that line of thinking. I can't imagine how hard it would be to recruit a 118 pounder that wasn't killing himself to make weight. I know there are a few good 113 pound seniors this year, but some of them actually do fill out eventually. Matt Kyler and Jordan Conaway come to mind. I felt the same way when people complained about moving 103 to 106. God forbid your 95 pound freshman wrestler has to wrestle JV for a year. If it means less forfeits, it's good for the sport. Another example is having an 88 pound weight class for 14/15 year olds at the Cadet level. When there are as many 106 pounders as there are 88 94/100 combined, why do we still have 88?

[rico]

Btw, Hamas... Do you think wrestling is something you could become a fan of of you learned the ins and outs of it? It'd be cool as hell having your smarts (when you accumulate it wrestling-wise) in this thread for sure!

[rico]

Btw, fun little random fact. When my youngest brother was a 3rd grader, he wrestled this stud from Fort Dodge in the semis at AAU state in the 3rd and 4th grade division. A couple matches later in that same round, on that same mat....one of the most highly anticipated match ups in recent AAU memory took place. It was the semis match between Cory Clark and Thomas Gilman as 8th graders. These two butted heads a few times in youth. Gilman won...stalled his butt off. For those of you who don't know, the significance of this match was that these two are Iowa's current 125 (Gilman) and 133 (Clark) tandem. They fought all year last year for the 125 spot, which ultimately went to Clark.

Thought that was a fun fact because Gilman wrestled HS in Nebraska. Many people don't realize that he was an Iowa boy from Council Bluffs who went to a Catholic school/wrestling powerhouse (Omaha Skutt) in high school. He was expected by most to wrestle for Council Bluffs Lewis Central...which is 3A just like the school Clark went to (Southeast Polk). Lewis Central was a powerhouse in my day...kicked out studs like the Paulson twins (ISU), Brandon Mason (OK State), BLake Anderson (Iowa), David Kjeldgaard (Okie State), etc. Clark won 4 titles in Iowa...I THINK Gilman did the same in Nebraska. Wonder how things would have gone if Gilman stayed in Iowa... Crazy to think about.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That's one of the reasons why I've always like golf. I rely on myself and myself only.

An example of my inability to trust teammates: When I was in little league, I would often run from first to back up second on steal attempts because they would **** up the catch so often that I didn't want the ball to get through and have the runner advance to third. It pissed them right off.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's one of the reasons why I've always like golf. I rely on myself and myself only.

An example of my inability to trust teammates: When I was in little league, I would often run from first to back up second on steal attempts because they would **** up the catch so often that I didn't want the ball to get through and have the runner advance to third. It pissed them right off.

I coach catchers (still the best position in baseball IMO!!!), and my kids get a dose of my 1970s/80s upbringing by learning that you backup 1st. Once we got it through their heads, we actually built plays around it. Not that it worked a lot, there were those cases when the kids called for an overthrow of first. Hardly a usual play, but the kids loved it.

And from 13 years old and up, I often times turned the game over to the pitcher and catcher to call. Some of the parents hated it, but they didn't get how much more the pitchers and catchers learn to communicate, the whole infield actually, when the adult is taken of of the mix. The pitcher know that if the call came from the coach, don't question it, but if it came from the catcher, perhaps there's something to discuss. AND.....when the catcher knows he's on tap to "call the game", he starts to learn A LOT more. He studies batters, he pays attention to his pitcher's stuff, and most of all he keeps his head even more in the game.

And I love to watch these young athletes work their game from a cerebral perspective. And they can, given the chance, they can...