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**BigRedChief** · 09:44 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance

Made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

Swanman · 07-13-2015, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Since there was no game 7 in 2006. You made a wise decision.

I had tickets with my dad for game 5 but but ended up going to game 4 because of the rain out. It was a win but would have been so much better to be at the clincher.

**BigRedChief** · 07-13-2015, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanman

I had tickets with my dad for game 5 but but ended up going to game 4 because of the rain out. It was a win but would have been so much better to be at the clincher.

i had tickets to game 4 which became game 5. Thanks rain!

Marcellus · 07-14-2015, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That 20 inning loss to the Mets was an absolute abomination of a baseball game. An absolutely pathetic offensive performance against trash relievers on both sides.

It turned into a comedy for sure. I was laughing my ass off by the end of it and yes it was bad baseball but it was entertaining no less.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-14-2015, 08:49 AM

So, past the mid way point and Heyward is still useless.

DJ's left nut · 07-14-2015, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

So, past the mid way point and Heyward is still useless.

At 2+ WAR to this point, he's been disappointing but hardly the disaster you're painting him as.

What's really hurt has been the loss of Walden. He was looking nails for us in the setup role and his injury has caused some serious overwork for Siegrist and overexposure for Maness.

O.city · 07-14-2015, 09:12 AM

What's up with walden? When will he be back?

Marco Polo · 07-14-2015, 10:36 AM

Does Chris Davis fit the "Cardinal Way"?

Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Orioles have had internal discussions about whether they should consider trading Chris Davis.
So far, this answer is no, especially with the team so close to a playoff spot. Things could change if they fall out of the race in the coming days. Davis, an impending free agent, is batting .235/.318/.469 with 19 home runs and 52 RBI over 86 games this season.

VAChief · 07-14-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Does Chris Davis fit the "Cardinal Way"?

Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Orioles have had internal discussions about whether they should consider trading Chris Davis.
So far, this answer is no, especially with the team so close to a playoff spot. Things could change if they fall out of the race in the coming days. Davis, an impending free agent, is batting .235/.318/.469 with 19 home runs and 52 RBI over 86 games this season.

They surely will want something coming back that would be at least as valuable as the compensatory end of 1st round pick they will get for him at the end of the season by just letting him walk (after he likely rejects the one year offer). That means we would have go give up someone that is a legitimate prospect.

He is a high risk/reward player with more down years than up years on his resume. Right now he is marginally better than our platoon of turds. I wouldn't give up any of our pitching (legitimate) prospects or our lone hitting prospect (Piscotty). Now if they want a Lyons or Cooney fine, otherwise no.

O.city · 07-14-2015, 11:30 AM

I'd love to see us trade for him, quickly sap his power and make him a contact hitter

DJ's left nut · 07-14-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd love to see us trade for him, quickly sap his power and make him a contact hitter

Nah - we'd just sap him of his power.

Mark Reynolds has shown pretty dispositively what shoe-horning Mabry's approach into a mistake hitter will get you.

O.city · 07-14-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nah - we'd just sap him of his power.

Mark Reynolds has shown pretty dispositively what shoe-horning Mabry's approach into a mistake hitter will get you.

I wish they'd just shoehorn Mabry and let Mueller take over

ChiefsCountry · 07-14-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nah - we'd just sap him of his power.

Mark Reynolds has shown pretty dispositively what shoe-horning Mabry's approach into a mistake hitter will get you.

I don't follow closely enough to know about Mabry's techniques. I just figured Reynolds having to play every day is getting him exposed. His role as a spot starter at 1st or 3rd and pinch hitter bat would do him better.

DJ's left nut · 07-14-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I don't follow closely enough to know about Mabry's techniques. I just figured Reynolds having to play every day is getting him exposed. His role as a spot starter at 1st or 3rd and pinch hitter bat would do him better.

I actually don't mind his approach as a baseline. The best way to describe it would be an outline of what its polar opposite is and to me that's Oakland.

The Cardinals focus is on 'limiting negative outcomes' - so essentially avoiding strikeouts and unproductive ABs. Their belief is that cutting down your swing, living up the middle and perhaps even being more aggressive early in counts is the way to do that.

Oakland, OTOH, doesn't care as much about the negative outcomes and will instead go hunting for positive outcomes. They'll deal with strikeouts in exchange for XBHs. They'll take guys who hit a lot of fly balls (easily caught and bad BABIPs) in exchange for more bombs due to relatively static HR/FB rates.

By and large, I have no issues with Mabry's overarching theme. The problem is his stubborn insistence on hammering everyone into the same mold. He'll take Matt Adams and turn him into an inside out hitter trying to pop liners up the middle or even go oppo to beat a shift. In so doing, his power vanished. He's done the same with Reynolds. Honestly, I think he's a terrible fit for Heyward because that's kinda what Heyward wants to do but his raw talent says he should be looking for pitches to drive. We steer into the skid by putting Heyward with Mabry. Heyward needs someone in his head telling him to do the opposite of his natural inclination, IMO.

Mabry's probably a pretty good guy to have around as a secondary hitting instructor. He's just too much of a one-trick pony to turn the keys to your offense over to, IMO. We had our season of insane RISP luck and he thinks it can be duplicated by focusing on minimizing negative outcomes. He's just wrong, IMO.

Marco Polo · 07-14-2015, 02:38 PM

Trevor Rosenthal won't pitch in Tuesday night's All-Star Game due to soreness in his right arm.
Rosenthal struggled in his last two appearances before the All-Star break and then came away with some discomfort after a throwing session Monday in Cincinnati. It doesn't sound like anything to be overly concerned about yet. The break comes at a good time for the 25-year-old flamethrower, who boasts a 1.49 ERA and 26 saves in 42 1/3 total innings this season.

O.city · 07-14-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

i had tickets to game 4 which became game 5. Thanks rain!

My dad had 2 green seats offered for game 6, but didn't think I could get out of school and was afraid they'd lose.

What a loser

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Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $5658908	Trevor Rosenthal won't pitch in Tuesday night's All-Star Game due to soreness in his right arm. Rosenthal struggled in his last two appearances before the All-Star break and then came away with some discomfort after a throwing session Monday in Cincinnati. It doesn't sound like anything to be overly concerned about yet. The break comes at a good time for the 25-year-old flamethrower, who boasts a 1.49 ERA and 26 saves in 42 1/3 total innings this season.
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