Chiefs SI : Chiefs have a problem and his name is Dwayne Bowe - Page 20

**pr_capone** · 06:53 PM

His performance so far this season has been underwhelming. He is in a position to clock in his worst performance in the NFL so far and is projecting to have 54 receptions for 586 yards w/6TD.

Is his problem that defenses are keying in on him... or is it that, as suggested by Greg Bedard, that Bowe has lost a step and is no longer a top tier WR?

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/11/greg-b...preview-notes/

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6. The Chiefs will win a lot of games with their current formula: good defense that takes the ball away (15 times so far) and an offense that doesn’t turn it over (just five) for an NFL-leading plus-10 in giveaways/takeaways. But to beat the good teams, they’re going to have to start stretching the field. Defenses know QB Alex Smith is overly conservative, so they’re dropping a safety down and playing a lot of man. The Chiefs have a big problem with receiver Dwayne Bowe. Not sure what has happened to him, but he lacks explosion and can’t beat man coverage anymore. Defenses don’t fear him at all.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-12-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

The more game managers i meet....

The problem is that "game manager" has basically become the same thing as "true fan." It's a catch all term for people to criticize a QB they think is too conservative.

A game manager approach works very well if you have an elite QB who can handle it. And I still believe this approach works a hell of a lot better than the overrated explosive offense everyone has a stiffy for.

FringeNC · 10-12-2013, 11:23 AM

Before I panic about Alex Smith's 6.5 YPA, I'd like to see a little bit better pass-blocking. YPAs is the best overall measure of a team's ability to move the ball through the air, but it is function of more than the QB. Brady is usually near the top; this year he is below Alex Smith.

Direckshun · 10-12-2013, 11:24 AM

Haven't read the whole thread, but I agree with SNR's analysis that nothing's wrong with Bowe, and that Smith is just Smith.

Like SNR said, they will have to meet in the middle. Bowe will have to run more routes that are friendly to Smith's game.

Earthling · 10-12-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Fair enough, as stated.

Too many others are CERTAIN he can't, or will absolutely need to at the very moment we face elimination. And in that certainty, they shit in the swimming pool, incessantly, daily, hourly, with insults and vitriol to boot, while most of us would like to enjoy a nice day.

Eloquently stated.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-12-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Before I panic about Alex Smith's 6.5 YPA, I'd like to see a little bit better pass-blocking. YPAs is the best overall measure of a team's ability to move the ball through the air, but it is function of more than the QB. Brady is usually near the top; this year he is below Alex Smith.

I really could care less about Smith's YPA. One of the most overrated stats in the book, because it assumes there's only one way to play offense. With the type of game we're playing, what we have to see is better 3rd down efficiency. He's been up and down. Against Tennessee, he was terrible early on.

**RealSNR** · 10-12-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mattschiefs

You Smith haters and you're BS

He doesn't have 1 shutout game

pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCa00/gamelog//

But go on throwing BS at the wall hoping that something sticks

Eat a dick. In 2011 he had two games with under 30 yards receiving and no scores.

He had two more of those in 2012.

In 2010 he had two games where he was held to one reception.

Down4Chiefs · 10-12-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mattschiefs

It'll be a team that does that ball control offense that beats Denver. That's what it's going to take. It's how this team beat the Packers in 2011. If you control the football then you have control of the game. That's the plus to this offense. They control the football.

Yup,the beauty is we can win a superbowl just fine with an alex smith and since nobody else considers him elite we won't have to overpay him and gut the team.

FringeNC · 10-12-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I really could care less about Smith's YPA. One of the most overrated stats in the book, because it assumes there's only one way to play offense. With the type of game we're playing, what we have to see is better 3rd down efficiency. He's been up and down. Against Tennessee, he was terrible early on.

Teams with good offenses have high YPAs. There is some luck involved on 3rd down conversions.

I think our passing attack will improve as the season goes on. I really don't think the problem is Smith or Bowe, but a new offensive blocking scheme and a new offensive system.

To win in the playoffs, you generally need an above average defense and an above average offense. Seems we have a dominant defense, in which case, the offense only needs to be average. It's not there yet, but I think it will be once the O-line gets on the same page. I'm an offense homer, but I must say I'm really enjoying the 5-0 start, and am not really worried about Alex Smith at all yet.

mattschiefs · 10-12-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Eat a dick. In 2011 he had two games with under 30 yards receiving and no scores.

He had two more of those in 2012.

In 2010 he had two games where he was held to one reception.

Non of which are a shutout game a shutout game is 0 catches 0 yards

Your claim was he has shutout games "all the time"

He has 0

You threw bs at the wall it didn't stick

**RealSNR** · 10-12-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mattschiefs

Non of which are a shutout game a shutout game is 0 catches 0 yards

Your claim was he has shutout games "all the time"

He has 0

You threw bs at the wall it didn't stick

In the original way you used the word, you made it seem like "shutout" just meant he had a game with poor stats.

mattschiefs · 10-12-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

In the original way you used the word, you made it seem like "shutout" just meant he had a game with poor stats.

I listed the poor games that happened before Smith

In those there are Shutout games in which he made 0 catches

I deal with truth not lies i can pull out of my ass like you

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-12-2013, 11:47 AM

This thread is hilarious. Who gives a flying **** about Bowe's numbers?

Bowe was a 1,000 yard receiver when the TEAM had records of 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9 and 2-14: ONE winning season in SIX. Four unbearable and embarrassing seasons.

Yet, the Chiefs are a legit 5-0 and counting, led by some of the best offensive minds in the NFL in Reid, Childress and Ault, yet Bowe is on pace for 750 yards?

WHO ****ING CARES?

This isn't fantasy football. If Bowe isn't running perfect routes or getting enough separation to make the QB throw to him or the head coach and OC design plays for him, **** him.

It's not the Kansas City Bowe's.

**RealSNR** · 10-12-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mattschiefs

I listed the poor games that happened before Smith

In those there are Shutout games in which he made 0 catches

I deal with truth not lies i can pull out of my ass like you

How about you clearly define what you mean next time? Then I can give you some relevant data and have a conversation.

Nothing I've said to you in the past two days you've been actively posting has been a lie. You claim you bring nothing but truth to the table, but that's not exactly an accomplishment. We're dealing with opinions and speculations, so quit acting like the Holy Dove sat on your shoulder and whispered into your ear the Truth of the World like you're ****ing St. Gregory. You're not that special.

mattschiefs · 10-12-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

How about you clearly define what you mean next time? Then I can give you some relevant data and have a conversation.

Nothing I've said to you in the past two days you've been actively posting has been a lie. You claim you bring nothing but truth to the table, but that's not exactly an accomplishment. We're dealing with opinions and speculations, so quit acting like the Holy Dove sat on your shoulder and whispered into your ear the Truth of the World like you're ****ing St. Gregory. You're not that special.

I'm so I thought someone who is so much smarter then I knew what the term shutout means. My bad

Calvin Johnson gets shutout all the time
He has 0 Not a lie

It's Alex Smith's fault Bowe is doing what he has done since before Smith got to Kc
No a lie

Cool story

You say you haven't lied the problem is the facts say you have but I'm just a dumbass so clearly the facts don't matter

Titty Meat · 10-12-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This thread is hilarious. Who gives a flying **** about Bowe's numbers?

Bowe was a 1,000 yard receiver when the TEAM had records of 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9 and 2-14: ONE winning season in SIX. Four unbearable and embarrassing seasons.

Yet, the Chiefs are a legit 5-0 and counting, led by some of the best offensive minds in the NFL in Reid, Childress and Ault, yet Bowe is on pace for 750 yards?

WHO ****ING CARES?

This isn't fantasy football. If Bowe isn't running perfect routes or getting enough separation to make the QB throw to him or the head coach and OC design plays for him, **** him.

It's not the Kansas City Bowe's.

I do man! I want the Chiefs to lose every game so I can hype up a QB that will fall in the draft!

10-12-2013, 11:23 AM	#287
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1456014	Before I panic about Alex Smith's 6.5 YPA, I'd like to see a little bit better pass-blocking. YPAs is the best overall measure of a team's ability to move the ball through the air, but it is function of more than the QB. Brady is usually near the top; this year he is below Alex Smith.
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10-12-2013, 11:24 AM	#288
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Haven't read the whole thread, but I agree with SNR's analysis that nothing's wrong with Bowe, and that Smith is just Smith. Like SNR said, they will have to meet in the middle. Bowe will have to run more routes that are friendly to Smith's game.
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10-12-2013, 11:47 AM	#297
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	This thread is hilarious. Who gives a flying ** about Bowe's numbers? Bowe was a 1,000 yard receiver when the TEAM had records of 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9 and 2-14: ONE winning season in SIX. Four unbearable and embarrassing seasons. Yet, the Chiefs are a legit 5-0 and counting, led by some of the best offensive minds in the NFL in Reid, Childress and Ault, yet Bowe is on pace for 750 yards? WHO ING CARES? This isn't fantasy football. If Bowe isn't running perfect routes or getting enough separation to make the QB throw to him or the head coach and OC design plays for him, ** him. It's not the Kansas City Bowe's.
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