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Old 01-24-2010, 05:22 PM  
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Joe Montana is still the greatest ever....
....and nothing that Peyton Manning does will ever change that.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:38 PM   #286
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I don't care about "body of work"...

Right now...when I watch Peyton Manning...all I can think is...

Holy shit. That guy is incredible.

No one else makes me think that.
That's because you were too young to know shit when Montana and a host of others were in their prime.

FTR, Elway has to be in the discussion of GOAT, and he's my pick. Dude was ridiculously ****ing talented. FAR more natural gifts than Manning, Brady, or Montana.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:40 PM   #287
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I don't care about "body of work"...

Right now...when I watch Peyton Manning...all I can think is...

Holy shit. That guy is incredible.

No one else makes me think that.
That only makes it your opinion. I watched Montana and used to say the same stuff. Hell, Montana had to fight thru the Marty choke syndrome to win 2 playoff games. Montana magic, baby.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:40 PM   #288
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If Montana stayed healthy throughout his career, he would have won 7 championships...maybe more.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:40 PM   #289
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I don't get this whole "naturally gifted" thing and then people act like Manning didn't have natural gifts...

Dude has ideal QB size, plus arm, amazing accuracy, amazing pocket presence/awareness/and a lightning quick release.

It's like he was breed to be the ideal QB.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:41 PM   #291
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If Montana stayed healthy throughout his career, he would have won 7 championships...maybe more.
Meh...

Apples and oranges when you compare it to todays NFL if you ask me.
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If Montana stayed healthy throughout his career, he would have won 7 championships...maybe more.
Or to use the Hootie formula, put Montana on the Colts and they win a **** more than 1 Super Bowl.
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Apples and oranges when you compare it to todays NFL if you ask me.
Who asked you, ferretface?
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I don't get this whole "naturally gifted" thing and then people act like Manning didn't have natural gifts...

Dude has ideal QB size, plus arm, amazing accuracy, amazing pocket presence/awareness/and a lightning quick release.

It's like he was breed to be the ideal QB.
Of course Manning does. But we're debating about the best of the best, so there are finer grades of difference.

Unless you're talking about a freak of ****ing nature, like Elway. As an athlete, he's on a completely different level, and he was a great QB. Huge combination.
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Yeah, again though, I think it's a product of what's around him. To me, it's not even close between Manning and Brady.

Yep. Brady is good but Randy Moss made him great that year.

Manning will go down as the best QB ever. The colts would be very mediocre without him.
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I don't get this whole "naturally gifted" thing and then people act like Manning didn't have natural gifts...

Dude has ideal QB size, plus arm, amazing accuracy, amazing pocket presence/awareness/and a lightning quick release.

It's like he was breed to be the ideal QB.
The one knock on Manning is he is incapable of standing in the pocket and deliver in the face of pressure. He usually throws early. I have NEVER seen Manning deliver a pass and get leveled right after. Never.
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Yep. Brady is good but Randy Moss made him great that year.

Manning will go down as the best QB ever. The colts would be very mediocre without him.
Brady has a career 93 rating. Who made him great before Moss?
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The one knock on Manning is he is incapable of standing in the pocket and deliver in the face of pressure. He usually throws early. I have NEVER seen Manning deliver a pass and get leveled right after. Never.
that's a knock on the guy?!

Manning isn't good because blitzers can't get to him!
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Elway did take his teams to 5 superbowls and the first three he basically threw the team on his back and willed them to the superbowl.
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that's a knock on the guy?!

Manning isn't good because blitzers can't get to him!
Who said he isn't good? Again, reading comprehension...
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