A-Rod, HOF or "*"

[GloryDayz]

After seeing that he got his 3000th hit I was dejected. Perhaps that's because I don't like the Yankees, perhaps it's because I don't think any of the hits in his PED years should count (so he's way behind 3000). No matter what, I just think it's a terrible message to send to kids/young players that PEDs will cost you a little something, but when all is said and done the league will act like it never happened.

[Mr. Laz]

where's the "He's a Yankee ... **** HIM!!" option?


If he wasn't in the biggest sports media market he wouldn't have gotten all the kudos anyway.

[Hootie]

Well you spelled Bonds correctly

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

"The Media" is at fault for recording stuff people did and said.

The media picks their targets for people they are going to glorify and people they will treat as the villain. I don't think this is exactly news.

Bonds and ARod were assholes and cheaters. But you know what? So were McGwire and Papi.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

where's the "He's a Yankee ... **** HIM!!" option?


If he wasn't in the biggest sports media market he wouldn't have gotten all the kudos anyway.

Jeter was a joke defender, but alas...PINSTRIPES!!! GOLD GLOVES!!! CORPSE START ALL STAR GAME! !

[KC_Connection]

You don't have to like him, but he's one of the best baseball players ever without question. Obvious HOFer (although the baseball HOF is becoming little more than a joke these days).

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If he's a HOFer then all the roid Boys go in.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You don't have to like him, but he's one of the best baseball players ever without question. Obvious HOFer.

I think the worst part of this is, Bonds arguably would have been in the running for GOAT. ARod wouldn't be that far behind. Even if they didn't touch steroids. Pretty amazing how much they threw away for something they didn't even need.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Brady ****ing Anderson hit 50 plus home runs on the juice...let that sink in for a bit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Brady ****ing Anderson hit 50 plus home runs on the juice...let that sink in for a bit.

I think people exaggerate the effects of steroids and PEDs. It helped. But there are other reasons for the home run era:
-Juiced ball
-Expansion era pitching
-Reduced strike zone

Steroids improves bat speed by a fraction. But most power comes from your legs and hip rotation, two things that aren't necessarily helped as much by roids. The biggest effect was probably keeping players hitting past their prime.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think the worst part of this is, Bonds arguably would have been in the running for GOAT. ARod wouldn't be that far behind. Even if they didn't touch steroids. Pretty amazing how much they threw away for something they didn't even need.

An extremely competitive elite athlete generally doesn't get in that position by not doing anything and everything they possibly can to improve their performance. And it all really isn't that surprising when you consider guys like Bonds and ARod have/had a deep desire to be the absolute best at what they did. Any edge was worth it to get closer to that goal.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

If he's a HOFer then all the roid Boys go in.

Agreed

What I don't get is why they won't let these players in the Hall, but yet they still keep and champion their records and stats?

[loochy]

It's the hall of FAME, not the hall of fair play or the hall of people that act the way we want them to. The man was an incredible player and he left his mark on the game, be it good or bad. I say put him in.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think people exaggerate the effects of steroids and PEDs. It helped. But there are other reasons for the home run era:
-Juiced ball
-Expansion era pitching
-Reduced strike zone

Steroids improves bat speed by a fraction. But most power comes from your legs and hip rotation, two things that aren't necessarily helped as much by roids. The biggest effect was probably keeping players hitting past their prime.

Riiiight it baaaarely helped at all

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think people exaggerate the effects of steroids and PEDs. It helped. But there are other reasons for the home run era:
-Juiced ball
-Expansion era pitching
-Reduced strike zone

Steroids improves bat speed by a fraction. But most power comes from your legs and hip rotation, two things that aren't necessarily helped as much by roids. The biggest effect was probably keeping players hitting past their prime.

Absolutely...there were several other factors that were probably more directly responsible for the increase in offense.

I'm sure there is less PED use than there was 15 years ago, but I'm also sure it's still prevalent in baseball (it's telling that just about all of the guys caught in Biogenesis never failed a MLB drug test).

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by loochy

It's the hall of FAME, not the hall of fair play or the hall of people that act the way we want them to. The man was an incredible player and he left his mark on the game, be it good or bad. I say put him in.

Agreed. Those were some fun seasons and the league had no trouble profiting off of it.