Chiefs How Would You Stop the Broncos Outside Zone? - Page 2

Sorter · 03-08-2015, 04:18 PM

Kubiak back to Denver=even more wide zone. The Broncos already ran it quite a bit last year but it's safe to say we'll be seeing it quite a bit more.

So, let's just assume that for this scenario:
1st and 10
Ball at Broncos 20.
Broncos:
Personnel: Regular (2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WR)
Alignment:

Due to the balanced look, you can choose for the play (outside zone) to be called to either side. Please specify which.

Chiefs:
Personnel: Base 3-4

Now, let's see what the excellent minds of ChiefsPlanet can come up with. Choose your front, slants, blitzes, slants/scrapes and describe how/why you'll handle the Broncos outside zone. I will post some fronts the Chiefs use for reference.

Some .gifs below of the Ravens running outside zone:

Snapplez · 03-08-2015, 05:57 PM

Given the Chiefs personnel I would say 3-3-5. Line up in a 3-4 formation, but have Abdullah in the box in place of Mauga.

Sully · 03-08-2015, 06:14 PM

I hate this to the core of my being, but I've been convinced...

Assuming a few things;
1) The counter to that play (other than counter) is a boot or drop back, and throw a drag or deep post.
2) Film shows the center flies across that quickly
3) Manning is the QB.

I have my DL allow the overtake and play from underneath. I hope this screws up the OL paths, as well as stopping counter and boot. This is the part I hate...

I play C 3, mostly. I'm giving up seams, but I need the extra safety to play low.

I assume that it will mostly be run to the FB or HBack side, and call my run strength to that, hoping to put my most disruptive ILB to that side, and have my box safety to the back side.

I pray that I have at least 2 players on the front 7 who are better than the guy across from them

**Bowser** · 03-08-2015, 06:25 PM

Play single high 8 in the box with your corners up in press. Have the short zone defenders attack the instant one of the guards pulls (or the HB cuts) and pray it's not a perfectly set up play action down the seams pass.

listopencil · 03-08-2015, 07:32 PM

As you are watching those gifs you should look at the QB. Pay attention to how much ground he is covering, and how much time he takes to get to his spot. If you're honest you will reconsider whether Manning can run Kubiak's Offense assuming you had major doubts until this point.

Sully · 03-08-2015, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

As you are watching those gifs you should look at the QB. Pay attention to how much ground he is covering, and how much time he takes to get to his spot. If you're honest you will reconsider whether Manning can run Kubiak's Offense assuming you had major doubts until this point.

I know it's been a few years, and age and whatnot, but Manning's Colts ran outside zone a tin, and he was great at it.

Sorter · 03-08-2015, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

I know it's been a few years, and age and whatnot, but Manning's Colts ran outside zone a tin, and he was great at it.

^^^This.

Additionally, if Kubiak is really concerned they can: A)Continue to run primarily out of the gun or B)Run more out of the pistol to shorten the distance. I don't think they'll necessarily have to do that though.

Just Passin' By · 03-08-2015, 10:44 PM

What point in the game is it?
What's the score?
How successful has Denver been running it up the middle to this point?

(Reason for asking is the possibility of shifting Poe)

Also, how's Manning's arm?

Sorter · 03-08-2015, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

What point in the game is it?
What's the score?
How successful has Denver been running it up the middle to this point?

(Reason for asking is the possibility of shifting Poe)

Also, how's Manning's arm?

First play of the game and Manning's arm is the same as it was as the beginning of last year for this scenario.

booger · 03-09-2015, 02:50 AM

Lazer Skunk! Got to throw Eric Berry some love.

Tempting to run under wasp sting if DJ is back in form. Hit them for a loss potentially. Could bite ya in the ass though

booger · 03-09-2015, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Will there be funneled kill-zones?

Only if Sutton goes to 52 bearcat Mike! Like the Duracell commericial with Patrick Willis

abort abort abort he's keeping it Patrick!

Aspengc8 · 03-09-2015, 05:51 AM

Good ol' Dicky's fire zone.. especially if DJ is back, since he has a knack for shooting gaps.

Mother****erJones · 03-09-2015, 06:22 AM

With Revis, I'm ****ing blitzing.

Honestly, I don't know much about scheme so I won't pretend to dick measure. 3-4 base, blitz with the safety. I definitely want to learn more about this though it's very interesting

Sorter · 03-09-2015, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger

Lazer Skunk! Got to throw Eric Berry some love.

Tempting to run under wasp sting if DJ is back in form. Hit them for a loss potentially. Could bite ya in the ass though

I love this post.

RunKC · 03-09-2015, 09:08 AM

Sorter, how do you feel about Eric Kendricks?

Additionally, are there any other LB's you think could help defend this formation?

Sorter · 03-09-2015, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Sorter, how do you feel about Eric Kendricks?

Additionally, are there any other LB's you think could help defend this formation?

If he's anything like his brother, I'd love to have him.

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Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9631474	How Would You Stop the Broncos Outside Zone? Kubiak back to Denver=even more wide zone. The Broncos already ran it quite a bit last year but it's safe to say we'll be seeing it quite a bit more. So, let's just assume that for this scenario: 1st and 10 Ball at Broncos 20. Broncos: Personnel: Regular (2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WR) Alignment: Due to the balanced look, you can choose for the play (outside zone) to be called to either side. Please specify which. Chiefs: Personnel: Base 3-4 Now, let's see what the excellent minds of ChiefsPlanet can come up with. Choose your front, slants, blitzes, slants/scrapes and describe how/why you'll handle the Broncos outside zone. I will post some fronts the Chiefs use for reference. Some .gifs below of the Ravens running outside zone:
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Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	I hate this to the core of my being, but I've been convinced... Assuming a few things; 1) The counter to that play (other than counter) is a boot or drop back, and throw a drag or deep post. 2) Film shows the center flies across that quickly 3) Manning is the QB. I have my DL allow the overtake and play from underneath. I hope this screws up the OL paths, as well as stopping counter and boot. This is the part I hate... I play C 3, mostly. I'm giving up seams, but I need the extra safety to play low. I assume that it will mostly be run to the FB or HBack side, and call my run strength to that, hoping to put my most disruptive ILB to that side, and have my box safety to the back side. I pray that I have at least 2 players on the front 7 who are better than the guy across from them __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
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