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Old 12-30-2014, 08:43 PM  
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Revisionist GM: would you have drafted Manual or Geno instead of trading for Smith?
All this 'hate on Alex' talk lately.

Well, what would you have done that would have made us better? Be honest

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Old 12-30-2014, 09:18 PM   #16
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:19 PM   #17
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I think the non paying oof albert was the better decisu9n. Seems to get hurt often.

I'd have taken sheldon either way, but apparently he had some baggage.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:21 PM   #18
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I know Bridgewater had the year he had, but I still think his upside isn't that high.

I think they're set up great to draft their success or at qb in this draft when Winston falls for stupid reasons
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:23 PM   #19
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I know Bridgewater had the year he had, but I still think his upside isn't that high.

I think they're set up great to draft their success or at qb in this draft when Winston falls for stupid reasons
you wouldn't take Bridgewater or Carr over Alex Smith as a QBotF?
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:23 PM   #20
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I think the non paying oof albert was the better decisu9n. Seems to get hurt often.

I'd have taken sheldon either way, but apparently he had some baggage.
He's a cocky dick, but the teammates I've spoken to from Mizzou loved him. He didn't like going to class (which is the only thing he got in trouble for at Mizzou) and he talks too much to the press.

Other than that, I don't think there's any baggage to really worry about there.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:24 PM   #21
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If Andy is the QB guru you all seem to think he is, then I can't imagine we'd be in much worse shape had we taken one of those two.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:24 PM   #22
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you wouldn't take Bridgewater or Carr over Alex Smith as a QBotF?
Carr no.

Bridgewater, maybe.

But even with that, I don't think he's an elite level prospect
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:26 PM   #23
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If Andy is the QB guru you all seem to think he is, then I can't imagine we'd be in much worse shape had we taken one of those two.
He always seems to get qbs to play above their talent level. Until now.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:26 PM   #24
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Carr no.

Bridgewater, maybe.

But even with that, I don't think he's an elite level prospect
assuming the Eagles turned it down

would you trade the same two 2nd round picks for Foles instead of Smith?

would you go higher for Foles?
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assuming the Eagles turned it down

would you trade the same two 2nd round picks for Foles instead of Smith?

would you go higher for Foles?
Probably so.

But if Reid didn't want him, I get it. He'd probably know.more than anyone.

But yes I would have.
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What would I have done differently? With the benefit of hindsight, it would be tough to beat this:

1) Sign or trade for a different stop gap QB (Kyle Orton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Carson Palmer, Jason Campbell, Matt Moore, don't really care who)

2) Draft Sheldon Richardson at 1.1 in 2013. Draft Keenan Allen at 2.1 in 2013.

3) Re-sign Brandon Albert and Schwartz after 2013 season

4) Draft Teddy Bridgewater a 1.23 in 2014. Draft Gabe Jackson (yay, Sacc) at 2.23 in 2014.

5) Work out a big contract extension for Justin Houston BEFORE the 2014 season.

Would have been a better team in 2014 and be set up much better for the future. Oh, and you'd be positioned to actually use an early pick on a T in the upcoming 2015 draft without it being a ridiculous allocation of resources to one position group.
Albert is a turd and a disaster waiting to happen. Once he got his $$$ he was going full lazy. And sure enough he lasted 1/2 season before blowing his knee out. There's no guarantee he comes back even close to what he was in 2012
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:34 PM   #28
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It is still a no on either of those two.
I do wish they would have taken Carr or Bridgewater instead of Ford. That does not mean that I hate the Ford pick either.
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there's a lot of moving parts to this no?

assuming you never trade for Alex Smith, you get both 2nd round picks back

assuming you plan to take Geno 1st overall
do you pay Brandon Albert instead of Dwayne Bowe then? no Eric Fisher?

or do you take someone different 1st overall? (who? there is literally crap in the top 10.) I think they scouted Ezekiel Ansah, or the obvious picks Sheldon Richardson or Star Lotulelei . Every other player is as bad as fisher.

so you are basically looking at

1.1. Geno
2.1. Kiko Alonzo? Darius Slay? Zack Ertz?
3.1 Travis Kelce

or

1.1 Star? Ansah? Richardson
2.1 Geno
3.1 Kelce

would that make us a better team today? assuming you actually hit on that extra player? There are a lot of shitty players in the draft. The odds aren't good you are nailing it with that Alex Smith pick.

pending on what you did in the '13 draft though would affect the '14 draft and you may not have to take Dee Ford in the first.

our record would be a lot worse thanks to Geno Smith so we probably would be picking higher, and would absolutely be in play for one of those studs like Zach Martin, Aaron Donald, CJ Mosley, Odell Beckham, Anthony Barr, etc. You almost couldnt screw that pick up.

But assuming we pick in the same place we could go Teddy Bridgewater if you think Geno is a failure after 1 year or Derek Carr. If that's too unrealistic you could just keep it at Dee Ford or Dennard or Verret or Kelvin Benjamin and in our 2nd round pick nab Garrappalo, Jarvis Landry, Justin Britt, etc.

There are so many scenarios and possibilities to say this team would be upgraded with those 2 extra Alex Smith picks. And maybe even have nailed a star player in one of the two drafts cause of it.

But the dominoes would have fell completely different. Alex Smith directly affects drafting Fisher and then the rest is history, otherwise this might be a completely different team with a QB on a cheap rookie deal with tons of cap space to spend.
Very good post!

Who knows how Geno would have turned out with a year to sit and learn, throwing to Bowe and Beckham, backed up by a top ten defense, with an elite running back like Charles to keep defenses honest and a coach like Reid that is known for taking on projects and being a good teacher of the craft...

Maybe he still would have been disappointing...maybe he would have taken us to the playoffs.

Nobody will ever know...but I tend to think he would still be disappointing here.

But like Hamas said, even if he busted hard, we would be set up to swing again by now.

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