Chiefs Chiefs’ tackle Eric Fisher has been thrown into the fire on the left side - Page 2

Direckshun · 10-29-2014, 12:52 AM

Thank god, it's good to see some positive press come out for this guy.

If this guy could eventually groom into a Pro Bowl LT by the end of next year, I can't tell you how relieved I'll be that the Chiefs somehow managed to land a premier player with the #1 overall in a shit draft year.

As of now, the Chiefs have brought him along perfectly. Played him at RT last year, plugged him at his natural spot this year, gave him tons of help early on and finally are letting him handle the island. He didn't do great against Quinn, but he's still got a ways to go.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...le3407915.html

Chiefs’ tackle Eric Fisher has been thrown into the fire on the left side
By TEREZ A. PAYLOR-
10/27/2014 6:45 PM

In the aftermath of the Chiefs’ convincing 34-7 victory over the St. Louis Rams on Sunday, Eric Fisher sat in front of his locker, weary but upbeat.

Fisher, the Chiefs’ second-year left tackle, had just spent the entire game going toe-to-toe with the Rams’ resident half-man, half-cyborg pass rusher Robert Quinn, and while the result wasn’t exactly ideal — he gave up a sack and was whistled for illegal use of hands and a false start — he was still a part of a rushing attack that rolled up 143 yards and a passing attack that helped quarterback Alex Smith set a franchise record for single-game completion percentage.

So considering all of that, plus the fact the Chiefs also won the game to improve to 4-3, Fisher will gladly take it.

“It’s a huge win for us,” said Fisher, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft. “This is the first time we’ve had a winning record this year, so it feels real good. These wins, one by one, change the rest of the season.”

That does not mean Fisher was fully satisfied with his play. Quinn, who is listed at 6 feet 4 and 264 pounds, is one of the league’s premier pass rushers, a man who racked up 19 sacks last season, and he certainly had his moments against Fisher, Smith’s 6-foot-7, 315-pound blind-side protector from Central Michigan.

“I had the one sack and a couple penalties, and that’s not something anybody wants to have,” Fisher said. “You’ve just got to learn from those mistakes. There’s a reason for everything. So you just move on and learn from it.”

Fisher then repeated an oft-spoken athlete mantra about the importance of taking it one play at a time, but given the way he spoke about Quinn, it was hard not to think he meant it.

“What a talented guy,” Fisher said. “His quickness caught me off guard for a couple plays out there. You just make adjustments as the game goes on.”

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Fisher held his own against Quinn, who finished with five tackles and two sacks, and has been steadily been getting better this season. According to Pro Football Focus, Fisher ranks 40th out of 58 qualifying tackles in total pressures allowed in pass protection with 22.

“You can see him growing every week and improving fundamentally,” Reid said. “Not as much in the run game because he does a pretty good job right there. It’s in the pass game that normally your young tackles have to learn the techniques, and sometimes the pitches, that those defensive guys are throwing at you.”

During the preseason, Reid noted that Fisher is a little slow to shoot his left arm out in pass protection, presumably because of offseason shoulder surgery. On Monday, Reid said Fisher is still working on that, though he attributed it to a college habit.

“Well, the way that he was taught in college, you see a lot of college kids do that,” Reid said. “They bring their hands up from their hips and bring them up. And in the NFL that’s tough to do. You don’t have the time right there to get that done. These defensive linemen are on you in a heartbeat. So you’ve got get your hands up and you’ve got to retrain yourself to deliver from a little higher position, so he’s learned to do that and done a good job with that.”

Fisher has had some solid moments as a run blocker this season too, though he’s occasionally whiffed on a few cut blocks, which likely contributes to his poor Pro Football Focus run grade of negative-7.1.

“Yeah, we encourage our guys especially on the back side of blocks to cut and get the guys down on the ground,” offensive coordinator Doug Pederson said. “We do it in the screen game with the big O-lineman out on the perimeter … sometimes you get big offensive linemen down and around the legs of second level-linebacker or safety-level position players. It keeps their hands down and makes them have to tick their feet just a little bit, even though if you don’t get him on the ground, it does make them have to go either over the top or underneath.

“It’s something that we do encourage.”

Reid also signed off on Fisher’s tendency to use the cut block on smaller defenders.

“(You do it on) the fast ones, when you’ve got to get long and get out there so they don’t run across your face,” Reid said. “You’ve got to throw and try to get (them down) — some of those guys are pretty fast.

“In particular, when you have those backside cutoffs and you’ve got an outside zone play going in the opposite direction, you’ve just got to get out there and you’ve got to use all 6’7 of you to do it.”

So yes, it appears the Chiefs will continue to be patient with Fisher, who struggled as a rookie last year at right tackle.

“You just keep going through and keep learning and working hard,” Reid said. “He’s easy to coach; he’s got good tools to work with. He shows up every day and works his tail off at practice. He’s not afraid. You watch the great players and they’re not afraid to work on the things that they’re not good at. So he spends a lot of time working his techniques and fundamentals there.”

The hope is that at some point, he’ll be able to consistently stand toe-to-toe against the league’s best and neutralize them. The season is still young, with the Chiefs only seven games in, but already he’s seen the likes of Denver’s DaMarcus Ware, Miami’s Olivier Vernon, New England’s Chandler Jones, San Diego’s Dwight Freeney and, of course, St. Louis’ Quinn.

“It’s kind of crazy,” Fisher said. “Every team’s got a pass rusher, and they’re usually on my side … it doesn’t stop, either.”

He’s got that right. By the time Sunday’s game was over, Fisher still lamented the fact he gave up a sack to Quinn. But he’s long learned not to let things linger, especially when the Chiefs find a way to get a precious victory, anyway.

“(The win) doesn’t make it right,” Fisher said with a laugh. “But it makes you feel a little better.”

Sandy Vagina · 10-29-2014, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CallMeSquidwad

he is by far and away the best o-lineman we have; Rodney is the only one whose even in Fish's class.

... I think he has a chance to be the best OL that KC has... but to state that he already is?

Sorry dude, but

OldSchool · 10-29-2014, 08:48 AM

Hudson is the best and most consistent on the team right now followed by Fisher.

Sfeihc · 10-29-2014, 08:52 AM

Some of you knee jerks(Clay, SNR, et al)) need to learn the lost art of patience. It takes time to develop into a LT. Willie Roafs just don't grow on trees.

**Ragged Robin** · 10-29-2014, 08:56 AM

Didn't he have a false start in the redzone and got pancaked for a sack on the very next play? Then contributed to another sack on 3rd down and we had to settle for a field goal?

milkman · 10-29-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc

Some of you knee jerks(Clay, SNR, et al)) need to learn the lost art of patience. It takes time to develop into a LT. Willie Roafs just don't grow on trees.

That's the problem.

If he's not Willie Roaf, or Walter Jones, or Orlando Pace, even in a weak draft, there is no way in hell his selection as the #1 overall can be justified.

Dunerdr · 10-29-2014, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's the problem.

If he's not Willie Roaf, or Walter Jones, or Orlando Pace, even in a weak draft, there is no way in hell his selection as the #1 overall can be justified.

Just curious milkman what pick in your mind would have been justifiable?

Kidd Lex · 10-29-2014, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's the problem.

If he's not Willie Roaf, or Walter Jones, or Orlando Pace, even in a weak draft, there is no way in hell his selection as the #1 overall can be justified.

That logic is sound, but what better alternatives, and where we would be now and in the future trading Fisher for the alternatives?

I won't pretend to be an expert on the better options, but you do have to look at that first and foremost.

jd1020 · 10-29-2014, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

That logic is sound, but what better alternatives, and where we would be now and in the future trading Fisher for the alternatives?

I won't pretend to be an expert on the better options, but you do have to look at that first and foremost.

It would be hard to argue against the chiefs being better off now if they had gone with literally any other position and extending Albert.

**Lzen** · 10-29-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

He's come a long way. The dumpster fire is now merely smoking.

Anyone got PFF numbers on Fisher? Pressures, sacks, penalties?

You mean that site that has Knile Davis ranked last?

milkman · 10-29-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Just curious milkman what pick in your mind would have been justifiable?

Asked and answered, numerous times.

Direckshun · 10-29-2014, 09:35 AM

I'm pretty sure milkman was on the Manti Te'o bandwagon.

milkman · 10-29-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm pretty sure milkman was on the Manti Te'o bandwagon.

I am absolutely sure you are full of shit.

Sorter · 10-29-2014, 09:51 AM

Now this forum has me wondering: Would you rather be v thrown into a fire or shoot your finger off?

ToxSocks · 10-29-2014, 10:23 AM

Finger, duh.

Chicks don't dig burnt guys. Plus, i can just say i lot my finger in 'nam, which scores me tough guy points. Chicks dig tough guys.

**Rausch** · 10-29-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, Hudson is our best O-Lineman, but Fisher is improving.

They both are, actually, and will anchor this line for years to come, hopefully.

If Fisher didn't just have the worst game of his career it was close...

10-29-2014, 12:52 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Chiefs’ tackle Eric Fisher has been thrown into the fire on the left side Thank god, it's good to see some positive press come out for this guy. If this guy could eventually groom into a Pro Bowl LT by the end of next year, I can't tell you how relieved I'll be that the Chiefs somehow managed to land a premier player with the #1 overall in a shit draft year. As of now, the Chiefs have brought him along perfectly. Played him at RT last year, plugged him at his natural spot this year, gave him tons of help early on and finally are letting him handle the island. He didn't do great against Quinn, but he's still got a ways to go. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...le3407915.html Chiefs’ tackle Eric Fisher has been thrown into the fire on the left side By TEREZ A. PAYLOR- 10/27/2014 6:45 PM In the aftermath of the Chiefs’ convincing 34-7 victory over the St. Louis Rams on Sunday, Eric Fisher sat in front of his locker, weary but upbeat. Fisher, the Chiefs’ second-year left tackle, had just spent the entire game going toe-to-toe with the Rams’ resident half-man, half-cyborg pass rusher Robert Quinn, and while the result wasn’t exactly ideal — he gave up a sack and was whistled for illegal use of hands and a false start — he was still a part of a rushing attack that rolled up 143 yards and a passing attack that helped quarterback Alex Smith set a franchise record for single-game completion percentage. So considering all of that, plus the fact the Chiefs also won the game to improve to 4-3, Fisher will gladly take it. “It’s a huge win for us,” said Fisher, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft. “This is the first time we’ve had a winning record this year, so it feels real good. These wins, one by one, change the rest of the season.” That does not mean Fisher was fully satisfied with his play. Quinn, who is listed at 6 feet 4 and 264 pounds, is one of the league’s premier pass rushers, a man who racked up 19 sacks last season, and he certainly had his moments against Fisher, Smith’s 6-foot-7, 315-pound blind-side protector from Central Michigan. “I had the one sack and a couple penalties, and that’s not something anybody wants to have,” Fisher said. “You’ve just got to learn from those mistakes. There’s a reason for everything. So you just move on and learn from it.” Fisher then repeated an oft-spoken athlete mantra about the importance of taking it one play at a time, but given the way he spoke about Quinn, it was hard not to think he meant it. “What a talented guy,” Fisher said. “His quickness caught me off guard for a couple plays out there. You just make adjustments as the game goes on.” Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Fisher held his own against Quinn, who finished with five tackles and two sacks, and has been steadily been getting better this season. According to Pro Football Focus, Fisher ranks 40th out of 58 qualifying tackles in total pressures allowed in pass protection with 22. “You can see him growing every week and improving fundamentally,” Reid said. “Not as much in the run game because he does a pretty good job right there. It’s in the pass game that normally your young tackles have to learn the techniques, and sometimes the pitches, that those defensive guys are throwing at you.” During the preseason, Reid noted that Fisher is a little slow to shoot his left arm out in pass protection, presumably because of offseason shoulder surgery. On Monday, Reid said Fisher is still working on that, though he attributed it to a college habit. “Well, the way that he was taught in college, you see a lot of college kids do that,” Reid said. “They bring their hands up from their hips and bring them up. And in the NFL that’s tough to do. You don’t have the time right there to get that done. These defensive linemen are on you in a heartbeat. So you’ve got get your hands up and you’ve got to retrain yourself to deliver from a little higher position, so he’s learned to do that and done a good job with that.” Fisher has had some solid moments as a run blocker this season too, though he’s occasionally whiffed on a few cut blocks, which likely contributes to his poor Pro Football Focus run grade of negative-7.1. “Yeah, we encourage our guys especially on the back side of blocks to cut and get the guys down on the ground,” offensive coordinator Doug Pederson said. “We do it in the screen game with the big O-lineman out on the perimeter … sometimes you get big offensive linemen down and around the legs of second level-linebacker or safety-level position players. It keeps their hands down and makes them have to tick their feet just a little bit, even though if you don’t get him on the ground, it does make them have to go either over the top or underneath. “It’s something that we do encourage.” Reid also signed off on Fisher’s tendency to use the cut block on smaller defenders. “(You do it on) the fast ones, when you’ve got to get long and get out there so they don’t run across your face,” Reid said. “You’ve got to throw and try to get (them down) — some of those guys are pretty fast. “In particular, when you have those backside cutoffs and you’ve got an outside zone play going in the opposite direction, you’ve just got to get out there and you’ve got to use all 6’7 of you to do it.” So yes, it appears the Chiefs will continue to be patient with Fisher, who struggled as a rookie last year at right tackle. “You just keep going through and keep learning and working hard,” Reid said. “He’s easy to coach; he’s got good tools to work with. He shows up every day and works his tail off at practice. He’s not afraid. You watch the great players and they’re not afraid to work on the things that they’re not good at. So he spends a lot of time working his techniques and fundamentals there.” The hope is that at some point, he’ll be able to consistently stand toe-to-toe against the league’s best and neutralize them. The season is still young, with the Chiefs only seven games in, but already he’s seen the likes of Denver’s DaMarcus Ware, Miami’s Olivier Vernon, New England’s Chandler Jones, San Diego’s Dwight Freeney and, of course, St. Louis’ Quinn. “It’s kind of crazy,” Fisher said. “Every team’s got a pass rusher, and they’re usually on my side … it doesn’t stop, either.” He’s got that right. By the time Sunday’s game was over, Fisher still lamented the fact he gave up a sack to Quinn. But he’s long learned not to let things linger, especially when the Chiefs find a way to get a precious victory, anyway. “(The win) doesn’t make it right,” Fisher said with a laugh. “But it makes you feel a little better.”
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