Chiefs Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal - Page 2

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 04:59 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals.

But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul.

"I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person.

It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts.

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees.

That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators.

The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue.

Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23).

But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford.

Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins?

"I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/

I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:30 PM

Where are all the folks that claimed Alex was "all about the team" and would take a hometown discount?

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Where are all the folks that claimed Alex was "all about the team" and would take a hometown discount?

Don't think Seattle wants or needs him.

Deberg_1990 · 08-09-2014, 05:32 PM

Smith is already filthy rich. Dalton wasn't.

Rookie contracts were much bigger back when Smith was drafted, plus he was the number 1 overall.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Smith is already filthy rich. Dalton wasn't.

Rookie contracts were much bigger back when Smith was drafted, plus he was the number 1 overall.

Rich people don't stop caring about money.

Deberg_1990 · 08-09-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Rich people don't stop caring about money.

Oh I agree. Smith is going to get a solid deal. If not the Chiefs, then from somebody.

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2014, 05:35 PM

So our franchise QB is demanding that in his new contract the team can't cut him for a younger, sexier QB at any point.

Sounds like a real franchise QB. A guy afraid of losing his job

JoeyChuckles · 08-09-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Where are all the folks that claimed Alex was "all about the team" and would take a hometown discount?

I don't think he is from here.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

So our franchise QB is demanding that in his new contract the team can't cut him for a younger, sexier QB at any point.

Sounds like a real franchise QB. A guy afraid of losing his job

This.

**RealSNR** · 08-09-2014, 05:37 PM

Wonder what that says to the other guys on the roster.

"So look, if you guys are looking to make your big break with this franchise, you need to look elsewhere. Even if I get injured and you light it up, the team is keeping me, not you. Because that's what I wanted."

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:37 PM

I think some of you are taking the phrase hometown discount a bit too literally.

ChiefsCountry · 08-09-2014, 05:38 PM

Good hope the Raiders give him the contract he wants.

Discuss Thrower · 08-09-2014, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Where are all the folks that claimed Alex was "all about the team" and would take a hometown discount?

San Diego hasn't tried to sign him.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Wonder what that says to the other guys on the roster.

"So look, if you guys are looking to make your big break with this franchise, you need to look elsewhere. Even if I get injured and you light it up, the team is keeping me, not you. Because that's what I wanted."

Again, this.

For a guy that supposedly is a genius, he seems a bit lost. If we sign him to a deal he doesn't deserve, we can't sign any of our young core players.

Pretty selfish for a guy that made a mountain of money he didn't earn the first 4-5 years of his career.

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Honestly, I think he might be saying exactly that (that he'll take less money).

Sounds to me like he's saying "those guys haven't gotten paid like I have because I was under the old system. I'd rather have a long-term deal worth less money than what they got."

Exactly. I think he's willing to take less as long as the deal isn't easy for the Chiefs to get out of after a year or two. He just wants a commitment from KC.

mcaj22 · 08-09-2014, 05:41 PM

he doesn't want a hometown discount he wants Jay Cutlers/Joe Flaccos deal maybe even more. He wants the 100 million with the security that the TEAM CANT GET OUT OF AFTER 2 YEARS

I like Alex but he's all about Alex , he wants to make sure he never gets Colin Kaepernick'd again.

08-09-2014, 04:59 PM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3848675	Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals. But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul. "I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person. It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts. Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me." Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees. That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators. The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue. Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23). But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford. Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins? "I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/ I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4651115	Where are all the folks that claimed Alex was "all about the team" and would take a hometown discount?
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3454454	Smith is already filthy rich. Dalton wasn't. Rookie contracts were much bigger back when Smith was drafted, plus he was the number 1 overall. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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08-09-2014, 05:37 PM	#25
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4651115	I think some of you are taking the phrase hometown discount a bit too literally.
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08-09-2014, 05:41 PM	#30
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	he doesn't want a hometown discount he wants Jay Cutlers/Joe Flaccos deal maybe even more. He wants the 100 million with the security that the TEAM CANT GET OUT OF AFTER 2 YEARS I like Alex but he's all about Alex , he wants to make sure he never gets Colin Kaepernick'd again.
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