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Old 10-25-2017, 02:49 PM  
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The best and worst QBs when the opponent scores 24+
So there seems to be some question as to the validity of this metric in determining a quarterback's worth.

I assure you, it's nigh infallible, as we will prove post haste.

***The Official List of QB records vs teams scoring at least 24 points***

(active bolded/includes playoffs/starts only):

55 QBs on this list, 24 active, 21 retired.

TIER I (30 wins or .300 or better). Elites, HOFers. No game managers.

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Tom Brady 47-48 (.495 GOAT)
Joe Montana 23-25 (.479)
Aaron Rodgers 25-36 (.410)
Derek Carr 12-18 (.400) THIS SEEMS TO BODE WELL
Randall Cunningham: 19-29 (.396)
Peyton Manning 44-73 (.376)
Andrew Luck 15-26 (.367)
Matt Ryan 25-46 (.352)
Jim Kelly 20-37 (.351)
Kurt Warner 21-39 (.350)
Roger Staubach 10-19 (.345)
Tony Romo 17-37 (.315)
Drew Brees 39-85 (.314)
Johnny Unitas 18-38-2 (.310)
Rich Gannon 15-34 (.306)
Philip Rivers 25-57 (.305)
Brett Favre 35-83 (.296)
TIER II (20 wins or .215 or better) Elites, HOFers who had a rough go at some point, good QBs.

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Joe Flacco 16-38 (.296)
John Elway 22-53 (0.293)
Ben Roethlisberger 17-41 (.293)
Drew Bledsoe 21-51 (.292)
Joe Theismann 11-27 (.289)
Trent Green 17-42 (.288)
Dan Fouts 24-61 (0.282)
Donovan McNabb 14-36 (.280)
Steve Young 12-32 (.272)
Michael Vick 15-41-1 (.263)
Russell Wilson 7-20 (.259)
Cam Newton 11-31-1 (.256)
Dan Marino 22-64 (.255)
Matt Schaub 13-39 (.250)
Andy Dalton 10-28-2 (.250)
Matthew Stafford 14-44 (.241)
Kirk Cousins 7-21-1 (.241)
Len Dawson 12-37-2 (.235)
Jay Cutler 14-48 (.225)
Steve McNair 12-42 (.222)
Warren Moon 20-72 (.217)
Eli Manning 22-80 (.215) MENDOZA LINE FOR MODERN DAY QB RELEVANCY. ABANDON HOPE BELOW.
TIER III (10 wins or fewer or less than .215) Worthless vagabond mediocre game manager retreads

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Ryan Tannehill 7-26 (.212)
Chad Pennington 6-23 (.207)
Matt Cassel 8-31 (.205)
Sam Bradford 7-26-1 (.205)
Matt Hasselbeck 15-61 (.197)
Jon Kitna 12-53 (0.184)
Mark Sanchez 6-27 (.181)
Steve DeBerg 12-56 (0.176)
Jake Plummer 10-47 (.175)
Alex Smith 9-42-1 (.173)
Kerry Collins 12-64 (.158)
Brad Johnson 5-30 (.142)
Jeff George 8-52 (.133)
Vinny Testaverde 11-77 (.125)
Trent Dilfer 4-29 (.121)
Bill Kenney: 3-24 (.111)
Blake Bortles 3-24 (.111)
Ryan Fitzpatrick 6-49 (.109)
Josh McCown 3-29 (.093)
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(Current starters not listed due to low sample size: Wentz, Goff, Siemian, Winston, Prescott, Mariota, Taylor, Trubisky, Hoyer, Browns flavor of the week)

This list not only proves the validity of the stat via NFL history, but compares Smith to most of his relevant peers still playing the NFL. In both cases he comes up vastly, VASTLY short.

Close closed.

Tip your game manager on the way out.

And in case you were wondering...

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Old 10-25-2017, 03:59 PM   #16
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Lol @ all the Alex Smith haters.. You guys are truly idiots... Making a thread like this while Alex Smith is having an unbelievable season just cracks me up!
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This further validates the claim that
Which is why a guy in Tier I lost to a guy in Tier III.

And why another guy in Tier III beat another dude in Tier III.
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Lol @ all the Alex Smith haters.. You guys are truly idiots... Making a thread like this while Alex Smith is having an unbelievable season just cracks me up!
OP actually defends Smith...try reading it.

Smith is playing at an elite level...therefore he is beating teams that score 24+ at an elite rate...which is what elite QBs do...which he wasn't doing before, because he wasn't playing at an elite level...and now he is...

Alex Smith proves both sides of OP.
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OP actually defends Smith...try reading it.

Smith is playing at an elite level...therefore he is beating teams that score 24+ at an elite rate...which is what elite QBs do...which he wasn't doing before, because he wasn't playing at an elite level...and now he is...

Alex Smith proves both sides of OP.
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And now we’ll see who reads the thread or just responds to the poster.
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Lol @ all the Alex Smith haters.. You guys are truly idiots... Making a thread like this while Alex Smith is having an unbelievable season just cracks me up!
And we have our first.
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Lol @ all the Alex Smith haters.. You guys are truly idiots... Making a thread like this while Alex Smith is having an unbelievable season just cracks me up!
Playoffs

You must have been a real big fan of the 1990s Martyball Chiefs.
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Alex Smith would be 3-0 in this stat this year if the refs gave the Raiders 2 chances to win on the final play instead of 10.
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Alex Smith would be 3-0 in this stat this year if the refs gave the Raiders 2 chances to win on the final play instead of 10.
He would also be 3-0 if he hadn't converted back into a Tier III QB on the last three drives.
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Playoffs

You must have been a real big fan of the 1990s Martyball Chiefs.
I enjoyed the Marty years... Sure we didn't win the SB but I have a lot of fond memories of those Chiefs teams.

Unlike many here I'm not a crybaby b**ch. It's just entertainment man. I try to enjoy it as much possible... Losing in the playoff sucks and it usually takes me a little while to get over playoff losses but I'd rather make the playoffs than not make it...

Marty was a good HC. Players are the main reason teams win or lose. Coaches don't play..
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He would also be 3-0 if he hadn't converted back into a Tier III QB on the last three drives.
Or if the defense hadn't converted back into the 2003 defense the entire game..
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None of this shit even matters because the Chiefs will always find a way to lose when it matters the most regardless. Anyone holding out hope in the belief that Mahomes or whoever is going to change this are deluding themselves.

Just sit back and enjoy the fact that there's actually points being put on the scoreboard rather than getting your panties in a twist.
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Guilty as charged. You got me but at least I admitted it.



I enjoyed the Marty years... Sure we didn't win the SB but I have a lot of fond memories of those Chiefs teams.

Unlike many here I'm not a crybaby b**ch. It's just entertainment man. I try to enjoy it as much possible... Losing in the playoff sucks and it usually takes me a little while to get over playoff losses but I'd rather make the playoffs than not make it...

Marty was a good HC. Players are the main reason teams win or lose. Coaches don't play..


I swear your Carl Peterson.
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Or if the defense hadn't converted back into the 2003 defense the entire game..

This defense is toast. It’s carried this franchise for 4 years now with little help from the offense.

It needs rebuilt and now that Alex FINALLY gets it. Alex fans are melting down gnashing teeth over the decline of the defense.

It’s comical.
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I swear your Carl Peterson.
SB is the ultimate goal but to say I didn't enjoy the Marty/CP years because we didn't win the SB is a discredit to them especially Marty.

Never understood that logic. Using your logic Dan Marino sucks.

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This defense is toast. It’s carried this franchise for 4 years now with little help from the offense.

It needs rebuilt and now that Alex FINALLY gets it. Alex fans are melting down gnashing teeth over the decline of the defense.

It’s comical.
it has not carried this team. Our offense w Alex 'Montana' Smith/Reid has always been decent at worst. Did our D carry this team in the Colts playoff loss?
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Or if the defense hadn't converted back into the 2003 defense the entire game..
Even Tier II QBs don't give a **** about defense. Get that weak shit outta here...

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