****Official Let's Break Down Sutton's Defense Thread****

[Sorter]

Welp, I figure we should go ahead and start this project early.

Here are a few helpful hints!

1. Sutton has served primarily as a DC/LB for 8 years including this one.
2. He also had a stint as an OC, as well as WR/QB coach in the early 80's and a RB coach for 8 years (Hence his desire to stop the run)
3. He also served as the Ravens DC along with Rex from 06-08

What I believe from this and other data easily obtained, we're going to see an altered version of the 2-gap that we came to know and love under Romeo. Now, there are some slight variatons (such as DEs playing the 4-tech instead of the 5, the use of zone/man blitz philosophies out of base fronts, and the use of fire zones in base fronts).

Here's a wonderful link I'll provide until a certain league decides to take it down.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

One primary difference is that in various alignments (over-ed, over, under) Sutton/Rex utilizes one DE playing 2-gap responsibilities, whilst the other does not. Similar in structure to Kiffin's under principles but different as well.

One thing that does concern me (and I don't know how much of this is Rex or Sutton) is the propensity to utilize 3 safety packages. They work fine if you have a fantastic front 4 and great corner play. I don't know if we're going to see Berry as the Ted as we did in Romeo's 2-3-6 but I wouldn't discount it just yet.

I think the huge difference is that the Ryan difference is going to bring a ton of blitz pressure.

The other huge difference is that the 3-4 defense was purely a 3-man front. The Ryan defense is going to mix things up a bunch at the line and run a bunch of traditional 4-3 sets. It's going to be a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. That's why the DeVito pickup is a good one.

Again, we'll see how it goes. I think our D-line is going to bring a hell of a lot more pressure than the Jets could.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

I'm probably going to be bitter about that shit for a long time.

I know coordinators don't make a team (at least they shouldn't) but it's total bullshit. I'm not going to be surprised one bit if Cleveland's defense takes a huge step this year, even over ours in spite of our superior talent.

[tk13]

I've always thought coordinators make a difference. It's not a coincidence the only year the Chiefs were successful under Pioli was the year they had two legit coordinators who were good at their job.

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by -King-

49ers fans seem to think Alex Smith is a good player who can be good here.

Wonder why Clay isn't parroting them.

Because logic of convenience allows that to be completely ignored.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Jets Def Ranking

2006 20
2007 18
2008 16

Jets sacks

2006 35
2007 29
2008 41

Jets D vs Run

2006 24
2007 29
2008 7


Jets D vs Pass

2006 14
2007 9
2008 29

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Jets Def Ranking

2006 20
2007 18
2008 16

Jets sacks

2006 35
2007 29
2008 41

Jets D vs Run

2006 24
2007 29
2008 7


Jets D vs Pass

2006 14
2007 9
2008 29

They ran Mangini's 2-gap defense. And it was clear that Mangini was calling the shots.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by tk13

I've always thought coordinators make a difference. It's not a coincidence the only year the Chiefs were successful under ***** was the year they had two legit coordinators who were good at their job.

I think they make a huge difference when a team upgrades from Clancy Pendergast and Chan Gailey/Todd Haley to Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis.

I have no reason to think that Bob Newhart can't be a respectable defensive coordinator. I think it's also fair to say that Ray Horton is a young brilliant coaching mind in this league who probably deserved a shot as a head coach. A guy like that as your coordinator can sometimes radically transform a team. All that matters for us, though, is how he does compared to Bob Newhart

[Sorter]

Interesting.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by SNR

I know coordinators don't make a team (at least they shouldn't) but it's total bullshit. I'm not going to be surprised one bit if Cleveland's defense takes a huge step this year, even over ours in spite of our superior talent.

If their offense can stay on the field and not turn into KC the past 2 years, that roster + Horton is going to be a nasty defense. They've got some fun tools.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by SNR

I think they make a huge difference when a team upgrades from Clancy Pendergast and Chan Gailey/Todd Haley to Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis.

I have no reason to think that Bob Newhart can't be a respectable defensive coordinator. I think it's also fair to say that Ray Horton is a young brilliant coaching mind in this league who probably deserved a shot as a head coach. A guy like that as your coordinator can sometimes radically transform a team. All that matters for us, though, is how he does compared to Bob Newhart

Ray Horton is a one and done coach. Gonna be a Head Coach in 2014.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by -King-

49ers fans seem to think Alex Smith is a good player who can be good here.

Wonder why Clay isn't parroting them.

Not all of them.

In fact I would say the majority of them think "LOL, Alex Smith"

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Messier

Devito seems to be well liked by New York fans and media, yet he's gonna suck too. So, since when do you put stock into what fans think?

No, he'll be a fine run stopper. Never said anything else.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

How can fans loathe the linebackers coach?

He is the DC. Try to keep up.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

Cockblocking sons of bitches.

What were you planning on doing with him?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think people freak out when they hear the word 2-gap. I didn't like the negativity when DeVito was signed.

The difference is that Romeo like to run a pure 2-gap. 2-gap all day long. Sutton's defense is going to mirror Rex Ryan's, in that the 3-4 will be 2-gap, but he's also going to throw a ton of 4-3 looks. So his 5-techniques have to be able to also play a conventional 4-3 tackle.

I like Rex Ryan's defense. I think the defense fell short the past few years because of talent.

My friend is a beat writer for the Jets and he insisted from the people he's talked to connected to Sutton that Sutton is running a 1-gap defense in KC.

He will mix it up with various other fronts, but the primary defense is going to be a 3-4 attacking 1 gap defense.