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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-20-2013, 06:39 PM

Depth, but few certain stars, in this year’s draft class
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Sometime down the road, the Chiefs may look at the players they selected in the 2013 draft as the ones who finally put the franchise on the road to success.

It’s just difficult to see that from today’s vantage point. The best players in this year’s draft look like linemen and not playmakers. Help in the form of a quarterback or wide receiver to help an ailing offense appears iffy.

The Chiefs, along with the other 31 NFL teams, continue the process of deciding which players to select starting today, when the NFL’s annual scouting combine begins in Indianapolis. The Chiefs already know this: It’s not the best of years for them to have the overall No. 1 pick.

If there is a certain future superstar available to them, he hasn’t made his presence known yet.

“This draft is a little bit different than previous drafts because of all those junior underclassmen who have declared this year,” NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said. “We have better depth than we’ve had in the last 10 years. Now, the top end of the draft, the top 10 picks, I don’t see the difference-makers like we’ve had the last three or four years: a couple of quarterbacks last year, Von Miller, Ndamukong Suh. You could see those players each year where before the draft, you knew who they were.

“The quick snapshot of this draft is more depth, not quite the difference-makers at the top end and a whole lot of holes in the quarterback class.”

The Chiefs, as one of only two teams to win just two games last season, earned the No. 1 pick. So it has to be a sad thought that teams picking well behind them, even those who made the playoffs, may have as good a chance of finding that impact player in the first round.

But that’s what Mayock said he believes.

“I wouldn’t want a top 10 pick in this draft,” he said. “The fifth pick and the 25th pick are very similar.”

Mayock said that if he had to list the top eight or 10 players available for the draft regardless of position, they probably would all be offensive or defensive linemen. He said he believes there are only four players worthy of consideration by the Chiefs as that No. 1 pick, and all are offensive linemen: tackles Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and Eric Fisher of Central Michigan and guards Chance Warmack of Alabama and Jonathan Cooper of North Carolina.

The Chiefs need a quarterback, and to a lot of NFL scouts, the best-looking prospect, Geno Smith of West Virginia, is a stretch in the first round. The Chiefs need a wide receiver even if they re-sign Dwayne Bowe because he was their only productive player at the position last year.

The Chiefs invested a lot in their offensive line in recent years, drafting Jon Asamoah, Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson in the top three rounds. They also signed as free agents Ryan Lilja and Eric Winston, though Lilja said at season’s end he would retire.

Complicating matters is that the contract of left tackle Branden Albert will expire next month. He would be an unrestricted free agent if not re-signed before then.

“Part of it depends on what they’re going to do with free agency and Branden Albert,” Mayock said. “They need a quarterback. There are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark. I don’t. But a lot of people think he should be considered. What are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe? Whoever the quarterback is, you need a wide receiver.

“John Dorsey has to be looking at the big picture here. They’ve got (picks) 1 and (34). What’s the best combination of getting the most value out of that? An offensive lineman at one is the most solid guy they can go with. I don’t care if it’s Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I’m crazy, that a guard can’t go No. 1. I think he’s the best player in the draft, so I would argue that. Either way, I think they’ve got to get an offensive lineman and come back (in the second round) and prepare to go with a wide receiver or a quarterback. They’ve got to upgrade that offense. I think the tackle is the most obvious guy for day one.”

Mayock isn’t any more upbeat on this year’s group of available quarterbacks than most others. Dorsey, the Chiefs’ general manager, said in a recent interview that it was difficult to rank the top prospects because they all have shown considerable flaws.

The Chiefs appear more likely to draft a quarterback in a later round than with the first pick. Among the top prospects, in addition to Smith: USC’s Matt Barkley, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon, Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib, Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson and Oklahoma’s Landry Jones.

“There’s not even one guy you would bang the table for in the first round,” Mayock said. “But then there’s a whole bunch of guys after that where you wonder how they fit and how much you trust them.

“Somebody could buy into Geno Smith up high. There are flashes of everything in there. However, he has to put it together on a more consistent basis. A team that feels comfortable in their ability to evaluate and then develop quarterbacks is going to feel better about Geno Smith and Matt Barkley and Mike Glennon.”

Hammock Parties · 02-20-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You didn't answer the criticism, Mayock. You ignored it.

Why did so many people trust this assdouche in weeks and months prior? He's always told KC to go draft a LT in the first round and move Albert to G. And here he is doing it ****ING AGAIN when we have this massive giant smoldering crater at QB.

No, he's not even doing that. He's telling us to go GUARD.

Dane was mentioning earlier that this place has a tendency to call national sports people morons all the time when their opinions differ from our own. That's expected to happen from time to time. It's when it happens EVERY GODDAMN YEAR that you begin to wonder if these people actually know anything about our football team at all or if they're just spouting shit as need be so they can move on quickly to talk about the Cowboys or the Giants or the Jets.

I would see you smile again.

**HemiEd** · 02-20-2013, 08:07 PM

Hopefully one of the QBs, preferably Smith or Wilson, blows up the Combine and we can quit seeing crap like this.

**RealSNR** · 02-20-2013, 08:27 PM

One of these days we'll draft another LT in the first round, and the very next year Mayock will tell us to draft another one because "that's where the value is."

He does this shit every goddamn year. Why would anybody trust this shitass to accurately project college players to the Chiefs? He doesn't know anything about us.

Not to mention, his take on Warmack being the best player in this draft is absolutely insane. Even if you do rank the players in a vacuum, there's no way a guy who just sort of showed up in his senior season playing next to Barrett Jones and DJ Fluker is THE BEST player at his position out of all positions.

ChiefRocka · 02-20-2013, 08:30 PM

#lovingthefactgenodoesnthavetoliveuptobullshitmediahype

**alpha_omega** · 02-20-2013, 09:57 PM

Wait, that wasn't a Mayock article????

brorth · 02-21-2013, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Depth, but few certain stars, in this year’s draft class
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Sometime down the road, the Chiefs may look at the players they selected in the 2013 draft as the ones who finally put the franchise on the road to success.

It’s just difficult to see that from today’s vantage point. The best players in this year’s draft look like linemen and not playmakers. Help in the form of a quarterback or wide receiver to help an ailing offense appears iffy.

The Chiefs, along with the other 31 NFL teams, continue the process of deciding which players to select starting today, when the NFL’s annual scouting combine begins in Indianapolis. The Chiefs already know this: It’s not the best of years for them to have the overall No. 1 pick.

If there is a certain future superstar available to them, he hasn’t made his presence known yet.

The Chiefs need a quarterback, and to a lot of NFL scouts, the best-looking prospect, Geno Smith of West Virginia, is a stretch in the first round. The Chiefs need a wide receiver even if they re-sign Dwayne Bowe because he was their only productive player at the position last year.

The Chiefs invested a lot in their offensive line in recent years, drafting Jon Asamoah, Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson in the top three rounds. They also signed as free agents Ryan Lilja and Eric Winston, though Lilja said at season’s end he would retire.

Complicating matters is that the contract of left tackle Branden Albert will expire next month. He would be an unrestricted free agent if not re-signed before then.

Dorsey, the Chiefs’ general manager, said in a recent interview that it was difficult to rank the top prospects because they all have shown considerable flaws.

The Chiefs appear more likely to draft a quarterback in a later round than with the first pick. Among the top prospects, in addition to Smith: USC’s Matt Barkley, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon, Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib, Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson and Oklahoma’s Landry Jones.

Remove the lines and quotes attributable to Mayock, here's the work Teicher did.

WhiteWhale · 02-21-2013, 07:06 AM

The good news is that Teicher is always wrong when he makes any kind of projection.

threebag · 02-21-2013, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

yeah... could we just please ****ing get rid of teicher? worthless.

So a Sports Writer in the first? I get rid I'd this Ass Clown I'm all for it.

Jerm · 02-21-2013, 07:54 AM

There are fat guys in this draft /teicher

htismaqe · 02-21-2013, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

One of these days we'll draft another LT in the first round, and the very next year Mayock will tell us to draft another one because "that's where the value is."

He does this shit every goddamn year. Why would anybody trust this shitass to accurately project college players to the Chiefs? He doesn't know anything about us.

Not to mention, his take on Warmack being the best player in this draft is absolutely insane. Even if you do rank the players in a vacuum, there's no way a guy who just sort of showed up in his senior season playing next to Barrett Jones and DJ Fluker is THE BEST player at his position out of all positions.

O.city · 02-21-2013, 10:06 AM

And like most have said on here, if picks 1 thru 25 are the same, give me the QB and I'll take my chance.

Strongside · 02-21-2013, 10:31 AM

I hope Adam Teicher is somehow stuck outside in this shit right now.

BlackHelicopters · 02-21-2013, 10:34 AM

Adam Teicher-journalist.

boogblaster · 02-21-2013, 10:54 AM

what QBs are on the table fo a trade or FA ...

HotCarl · 02-21-2013, 11:10 AM

Would this be any different if a Chiefs Planet-er were writing for the star? It would be just as specious but at the opposite pole.

02-20-2013, 06:39 PM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $652813	Teicher:Depth, but few certain stars, in this year’s draft class Depth, but few certain stars, in this year’s draft class By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Sometime down the road, the Chiefs may look at the players they selected in the 2013 draft as the ones who finally put the franchise on the road to success. It’s just difficult to see that from today’s vantage point. The best players in this year’s draft look like linemen and not playmakers. Help in the form of a quarterback or wide receiver to help an ailing offense appears iffy. The Chiefs, along with the other 31 NFL teams, continue the process of deciding which players to select starting today, when the NFL’s annual scouting combine begins in Indianapolis. The Chiefs already know this: It’s not the best of years for them to have the overall No. 1 pick. If there is a certain future superstar available to them, he hasn’t made his presence known yet. “This draft is a little bit different than previous drafts because of all those junior underclassmen who have declared this year,” NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said. “We have better depth than we’ve had in the last 10 years. Now, the top end of the draft, the top 10 picks, I don’t see the difference-makers like we’ve had the last three or four years: a couple of quarterbacks last year, Von Miller, Ndamukong Suh. You could see those players each year where before the draft, you knew who they were. “The quick snapshot of this draft is more depth, not quite the difference-makers at the top end and a whole lot of holes in the quarterback class.” The Chiefs, as one of only two teams to win just two games last season, earned the No. 1 pick. So it has to be a sad thought that teams picking well behind them, even those who made the playoffs, may have as good a chance of finding that impact player in the first round. But that’s what Mayock said he believes. “I wouldn’t want a top 10 pick in this draft,” he said. “The fifth pick and the 25th pick are very similar.” Mayock said that if he had to list the top eight or 10 players available for the draft regardless of position, they probably would all be offensive or defensive linemen. He said he believes there are only four players worthy of consideration by the Chiefs as that No. 1 pick, and all are offensive linemen: tackles Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and Eric Fisher of Central Michigan and guards Chance Warmack of Alabama and Jonathan Cooper of North Carolina. The Chiefs need a quarterback, and to a lot of NFL scouts, the best-looking prospect, Geno Smith of West Virginia, is a stretch in the first round. The Chiefs need a wide receiver even if they re-sign Dwayne Bowe because he was their only productive player at the position last year. The Chiefs invested a lot in their offensive line in recent years, drafting Jon Asamoah, Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson in the top three rounds. They also signed as free agents Ryan Lilja and Eric Winston, though Lilja said at season’s end he would retire. Complicating matters is that the contract of left tackle Branden Albert will expire next month. He would be an unrestricted free agent if not re-signed before then. “Part of it depends on what they’re going to do with free agency and Branden Albert,” Mayock said. “They need a quarterback. There are a lot of people who think Geno Smith is in that ballpark. I don’t. But a lot of people think he should be considered. What are they going to do with Dwayne Bowe? Whoever the quarterback is, you need a wide receiver. “John Dorsey has to be looking at the big picture here. They’ve got (picks) 1 and (34). What’s the best combination of getting the most value out of that? An offensive lineman at one is the most solid guy they can go with. I don’t care if it’s Warmack or Joeckel. People will tell me I’m crazy, that a guard can’t go No. 1. I think he’s the best player in the draft, so I would argue that. Either way, I think they’ve got to get an offensive lineman and come back (in the second round) and prepare to go with a wide receiver or a quarterback. They’ve got to upgrade that offense. I think the tackle is the most obvious guy for day one.” Mayock isn’t any more upbeat on this year’s group of available quarterbacks than most others. Dorsey, the Chiefs’ general manager, said in a recent interview that it was difficult to rank the top prospects because they all have shown considerable flaws. The Chiefs appear more likely to draft a quarterback in a later round than with the first pick. Among the top prospects, in addition to Smith: USC’s Matt Barkley, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon, Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib, Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson and Oklahoma’s Landry Jones. “There’s not even one guy you would bang the table for in the first round,” Mayock said. “But then there’s a whole bunch of guys after that where you wonder how they fit and how much you trust them. “Somebody could buy into Geno Smith up high. There are flashes of everything in there. However, he has to put it together on a more consistent basis. A team that feels comfortable in their ability to evaluate and then develop quarterbacks is going to feel better about Geno Smith and Matt Barkley and Mike Glennon.”
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