What makes a first-round left tackle bust?

[RealSNR]

The answer is I don't know enough about offensive line play to say for sure what I think makes tackles bust. Like all positions, it depends on the person getting drafted. Players can quite often simply not know what it takes to take all that great talent and use it properly on the football field.

I would have thought coaching would be high as well, but I've seen so many linemen go through shitty coach after shitty coach and still remain around the tops in the league.

All teams really have to go off of outside of the interview/film room I guess is what they like or look for in a player? It's the same thing that's going on in the Fisher/Joeckel debate. I doubt either player busts. One is going to be better than the other, though. Fisher plays a lot "meaner" than Joeckel does, which comes across as a kind of virtuosic play that you want out of a top LT.

[Urc Burry]

Was Jason Smith that good in college? I thought he just blew up the combine

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Was Jason Smith that good in college? I thought he just blew up the combine

That would be an interesting tell. I tend to shy away from guys who rocket up in the combine.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Was Jason Smith that good in college? I thought he just blew up the combine

yeah he was basically Lane Johnson

[Mr. Laz]

You would think that measurables,balance and foot quickness would be the keys and you should be able to see those on tape and at the combine.

I guess laziness is a bust factor

[bevischief]

Talent, brains,coaching, and desire.

[Rain Man]

I tend to place a lot of emphasis on desire. Does a guy love the game? Does he love to hit? Does he want a Super Bowl?

I think about Greg Wesley as an example where it mattered. No one can argue about him being a fantastic athlete, but the guy just didn't really like football. So he tended to jog around on the field. It was a shame.

If you watched the ESPN show about Chris Spielman, that's a guy who loved football. Those guys will want to excel, and it's not about the money.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

We are the Dolphins of the few years ago. Taking the "safe pick" lineman over the "flawed" QB. Worked grrrreat for them!!! Probably even get a taste of vet QB turn around, 1st round playoff loss to boot!!

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

What makes a first-round left tackle bust?

Being drafted by the KC Chiefs.

[Deberg_1990]

I think it's really hard to predict how some guys will react to becoming instant millionaires. Will they remain hungry or get lazy? Will they still play with heart, or lose their passion?

[Saccopoo]

Tale of two highly rated offensive tackles. Nearly identical size, combine performances, nearly identical positive and negatives.

6'5"
309 lbs.
33 1/2" Arms
9 3/4" Hands

40: 5.22
Bench: 33
Vertical: 24.0"
Broad: 96.0"
3 Cone: 7.53
20 Shuttle: 4.69

Positives: Tall, athletic left tackle prospect. ... Excellent straight-line speed and hustle, getting downfield on screens and long runs. ... Can pull and trap, running smoothly and adjusting to oncoming defenders. ... Moves to the second level quickly, using good angles to keep linebackers out of the play. ... Should work well in zone-blocking schemes with his ability to lock onto defenders and move. ... Gets down quickly to cut block despite his height. ... Adjusts well to outside blitzers. ... Willing to throw his man to the ground and keep him there. ... Has made significant improvement in terms of technique and strength over the past two years at left tackle.

Negatives: Typically operates out of a two-point stance... Raw in his pass-set technique, standing a bit upright and backpedaling instead of sliding to mirror his man. ... Locks onto his man at first, but eventually loses his balance and grip due to his average upper-body strength and footwork. ... Does not have much of a punch in pass protection. ... Can lose the hands battle on the line. ... Could use a bit more bulk in the lower body to be more effective as a drive blocker. ... Could be moved inside to left guard for a zone-blocking team.


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6"6"
309 lbs.
34" Arms
10" Hands

40: 5.30
Bench: 27 Reps
Vertical: 28.5
Broad: 106.0
3 Cone: 7.40
20 Shuttle: 4.68

Positives: Technically-sound left tackle prospect. Plays with good bend and a very wide base in pass protection in spite of his long legs. Moves feet quickly and stays in balance, rarely giving up the edge and pulling off the down block/outside blitz pick-up admirably. Good timing and strength on his punch, possesses good hand placement and will reset them to maintain distance. Recovers quickly if his misses his punch, stays on his man. Gets after his man in the run game, has foot quickness to get correct angle and keeps them moving to sustain the block. Good power step inside to choke off inside spin moves. Capable cut-blocker. Excellent athleticism and foot speed, showing the ability to mirror and stay in front of many talented pass rushers over his three years starting.

Weaknesses: Does not possess elite upper or lower-body strength; only adequate as a drive-blocker and can be pushed back by better defensive ends and shed in the run game. Foot quickness is good, but does not execute the reach block as often as you’d like. Overextends his punch on occasion, vulnerable to a rip move outside or spin inside. Played exclusively in a two-point stance and can get caught playing upright. Did not frequently face pass rushers that challenged him hard upfield.

[Sfeihc]

The words "..and the Oakland Raiders select" usually do the trick.

[ChiefsCountry]

[KChiefs1]

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

A left tackle, no matter how good, has a ceiling to his value. A quarterback's ceiling is nearly unlimited.

Think of it this way: A middle reliever that gives a team a FIP of 3.00 and strikes out a batter than inning is a great value for $1 million a year. If you pay that same middle reliever $12 million a year he becomes a leaden albatross.

Due to the fixed impact of a LT but the extremely high cost, unless Joeckel can assert himself as a consistent top 5-8 LT, he's a bust.

There were many others to add to your list: Tony Mandarich, Leonard Davis, Levi Brown, et. al.