Chiefs Sherman/Arenas - Page 2

**TimBone** · 10-28-2013, 09:15 PM

I meant to make this thread last week. I voiced a bit of frustration when we traded Arenas away to Arizona for Sherman. Our CB depth at the time was atrocious and it also seemed like we had brought in a bunch of fullbacks at that point.

I liked Arenas and thought he played decently after Routt was cut last year. Didn't see the upside in trading him for a fullback.

Well, I'm here tonight to eat a little bit of crow. Sherman has quietly become one of our standouts on offense. He's a hard hitter, his blocking is great, and he's even had some important receiving plays. It seems Charles does his best running when he's running behind Sherman as well.

I guess that's all I wanted to say. Welcome to the team Sherman. I hope you stay a while.

-King- · 10-28-2013, 09:44 PM

I was as wrong as I could be on that trade.

Titty Meat · 10-28-2013, 09:45 PM

Arenas sucks some of us tried to tell you homers

chiefzilla1501 · 10-28-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

Doesn't matter. Arenas isn't a fit in Suttons D. His strength is zone not man. He would be no more valuable to the team than Robinson is

Fair point. But given how shallow we were at corner, let's face it. We are really, really lucky we were able to pull Cooper off. Imagine if we didn't.

Cephalic Trauma · 10-28-2013, 09:45 PM

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patteeu · 10-28-2013, 09:47 PM

It seemed strange at the time, particularly since they had just taken a FB in the draft, but it's pretty clear that they took advantage of the chance to upgrade at very little expense.

Here are some interesting snap counts from PFF:

Javier Arenas (listed as a S even though he's a backup CB on Arizona's depth chart) has taken only 62 snaps for the Cardinals.

Quinten Demps and Husain Abdullah, by comparison have taken 256 and 102 snaps respectively.

Another former Chief, Glenn Dorsey, has only taken 9 snaps for San Francisco.

I don't know if either Arenas or Dorsey have had injuries this year, but they certainly haven't contributed much to their new teams.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-28-2013, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

Uh....but Arenas wasn't good depth...and Sherman is playing well....soo, good trade yes?!? Eat crow?!? Yes.

Do you remember the moves we made to replace Arenas? Agnew? A whole bunch of other scrubs? Those were panic moves from a team that realized outside of Robinson, we were really bad at corner. We ended up a hell of a lot better because of the Sherman trade. But again, let's not count out that some luck after the fact had to do with it. If not for Marcus Cooper, when Dunta Robinson got injured, Jalil Brown was going to be our nickel guy.

booger · 10-28-2013, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Fair point. But given how shallow we were at corner, let's face it. We are really, really lucky we were able to pull Cooper off. Imagine if we didn't.

I agree with that. He's been a huge blessing. IMO they would have still played press man with Brown or Parker. They were going to get a tall press type cb, project or not, and stick him out there to play how they want

patteeu · 10-28-2013, 09:50 PM

I forgot to mention that Sherman is by far the highest rated FB in the league according to PFF:

1. Anthony Sherman +11.0
2. Mike Tolbert +6.4
3. Collin Mooney +5.9
4. Bruce Miller +5.8
5. John Kuhn +2.0

crossbow · 10-28-2013, 09:53 PM

Pass the crow. I thought it was a dumb deal considering they used a draft pick on a Fullback.

-King- · 10-28-2013, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

It seemed strange at the time, particularly since they had just taken a FB in the draft, but it's pretty clear that they took advantage of the chance to upgrade at very little expense.

Here are some interesting snap counts from PFF:

Javier Arenas (listed as a S even though he's a backup CB on Arizona's depth chart) has taken only 62 snaps for the Cardinals.

Quinten Demps and Husain Abdullah, by comparison have taken 256 and 102 snaps respectively.

Another former Chief, Glenn Dorsey, has only taken 9 snaps for San Francisco.

I don't know if either Arenas or Dorsey have had injuries this year, but they certainly haven't contributed much to their new teams.

**wazu** · 10-28-2013, 09:53 PM

Was thinking about this today as well. My instinct at the time was that it wasn't a good trade. Crow eaten. Alex, it's your turn to make me do this.

**DaFace** · 10-28-2013, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

It seemed strange at the time, particularly since they had just taken a FB in the draft, but it's pretty clear that they took advantage of the chance to upgrade at very little expense.

Here are some interesting snap counts from PFF:

Javier Arenas (listed as a S even though he's a backup CB on Arizona's depth chart) has taken only 62 snaps for the Cardinals.

Quinten Demps and Husain Abdullah, by comparison have taken 256 and 102 snaps respectively.

Another former Chief, Glenn Dorsey, has only taken 9 snaps for San Francisco.

I don't know if either Arenas or Dorsey have had injuries this year, but they certainly haven't contributed much to their new teams.

Not sure where you're getting 9 for Dorsey. He's played a LOT for San Francisco (194 to be exact).

**DaFace** · 10-28-2013, 09:58 PM

I also see 154 for Abdullah.

Cephalic Trauma · 10-28-2013, 10:00 PM

How can Glenn Dorsey have 15 tackles while playing only 9 snaps?

-King- · 10-28-2013, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Not sure where you're getting 9 for Dorsey. He's played a LOT for San Francisco (194 to be exact).

Yeah, figured that was wrong after seeing he has 15 tackles on the season.

10-28-2013, 09:15 PM
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patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	It seemed strange at the time, particularly since they had just taken a FB in the draft, but it's pretty clear that they took advantage of the chance to upgrade at very little expense. Here are some interesting snap counts from PFF: Javier Arenas (listed as a S even though he's a backup CB on Arizona's depth chart) has taken only 62 snaps for the Cardinals. Quinten Demps and Husain Abdullah, by comparison have taken 256 and 102 snaps respectively. Another former Chief, Glenn Dorsey, has only taken 9 snaps for San Francisco. I don't know if either Arenas or Dorsey have had injuries this year, but they certainly haven't contributed much to their new teams. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	I forgot to mention that Sherman is by far the highest rated FB in the league according to PFF: 1. Anthony Sherman +11.0 2. Mike Tolbert +6.4 3. Collin Mooney +5.9 4. Bruce Miller +5.8 5. John Kuhn +2.0 __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $1722295 VARSITY	Was thinking about this today as well. My instinct at the time was that it wasn't a good trade. Crow eaten. Alex, it's your turn to make me do this.
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