Game of Thrones Thread

[BigRedChief]

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[The Franchise]

Like he runs the thread...

[RustShack]

I thought that's who Ian was reviving here lately, but turns out we were right from the start. It's the Hound, no Lady Stoneheart.

[Sorter]

Spoiler!

The brooch that fastened Ser Brynden Tully’s cloak was a black fish, wrought in jet and gold. His ringmail was grim and grey. Over it he wore greaves, gorget, gauntlets, pauldron, and poleyns of blackened steel, none half so dark as the look upon his face as he waited for Jaime Lannister at the end of the drawbridge, alone atop a chestnut courser caparisoned in red and blue. He loves me not. Tully had a craggy face, deeply lined and windburnt beneath a shock of stiff grey hair, but Jaime could still see the great knight who had once enthralled a squire with tales of the Ninepenny Kings. Honor’s hooves clattered against the planks of the drawbridge. Jaime had thought long and hard about whether to wear his gold armor or his white to this meeting; in the end, he’d chosen a leather jack and a crimson cloak.

He drew up a yard from Ser Brynden, and inclined his head to the older man. “Kingslayer,” said Tully.

That he would make that name the first word from his mouth spoke volumes, but Jaime was resolved to keep his temper. “Blackfish,” he responded. “Thank you for coming.”
“I assume you have returned to fulfill the oaths you swore my niece,” Ser Brynden said. “As I recall, you promised Catelyn her daughters in return for your freedom.” His mouth tightened. “Yet I do not see the girls. Where are they?”

Must he make me say it? “I do not have them.”

“Pity. Do you wish to resume your captivity? Your old cell is still available. We have put fresh rushes on the floor.”

And a nice new pail for me to shit in, I don’t doubt. “That was thoughtful of you, ser, but I fear I must decline. I prefer the comforts of my pavilion.”

“Whilst Catelyn enjoys the comforts of her grave.”

I had no hand in Lady Catelyn’s death, he might have said, and her daughters were gone before I reached King’s Landing. It was on his tongue to speak of Brienne and the sword he’d given her, but the Blackfish was looking at him the way that Eddard Stark had looked at him when he’d
found him on the Iron Throne with the Mad King’s blood upon his blade. “I came to speak of the living, not the dead. Of those who need not die, but shall...”

“... unless I hand you Riverrun. Is this where you threaten to hang Edmure?” Beneath his bushy brows, Tully’s eyes were stone. “My nephew is marked for death no matter what I do. So hang him and be done with it. I expect that Edmure is as weary of standing on those gallows as I am of seeing him there.”

Ryman Frey is a bloody fool. His mummer’s show with Edmure and the gallows had only made the Blackfish more obdurate, that was plain. “You hold Lady Sybelle Westerling and three of her children. I’ll return your nephew in exchange for them.”

“As you returned Lady Catelyn’s daughters?”

Jaime did not allow himself to be provoked. “An old woman and three children for your liege lord. That’s a better bargain than you could have hoped for.”

Ser Brynden smiled a hard smile. “You do not lack for gall, Kingslayer. Bargaining with oathbreakers is like building on quicksand, though. Cat should have known better than to trust the likes of you.”

It was Tyrion she trusted in, Jaime almost said. The Imp deceived her too. “The promises I made to Lady Catelyn were wrung from me at swordpoint.”

“And the oath you swore to Aerys?”

He felt his phantom fingers twitching. “Aerys is no part of this. Will you exchange the Westerlings for Edmure?”

“No. My king entrusted his queen to my keeping, and I swore to keep her safe. I will not hand her over to a Frey noose.”

“The girl has been pardoned. No harm will come to her. You have my word on that.”
“Your word of honor?” Ser Brynden raised an eyebrow. “Do you even know what honor is?”
A horse. “I will swear any oath that you require.”
“Spare me, Kingslayer.”
“I want to. Strike your banners and open your gates and I’ll grant your men their lives. Those who wish to remain at Riverrun in service to Lord Emmon may do so. The rest shall be free to go where they will, though I will require them to surrender their arms and armor.”

“I wonder, how far will they get, unarmed, before ‘outlaws’ set upon them? You dare not allow them to join Lord Beric, we both know that. And what of me? Will I be paraded through King’s Landing to die like Eddard Stark?”

“I will permit you to take the black. Ned Stark’s bastard is the Lord Commander on the Wall.”

The Blackfish narrowed his eyes. “Did your father arrange for that as well? Catelyn never trusted the boy, as I recall, no more than she ever trusted Theon Greyjoy. It would seem she was right about them both. No, ser, I think not. I’ll die warm, if you please, with a sword in hand running red with lion blood.”
“Tully blood runs just as red,” Jaime reminded him. “If you will not yield the castle, I must storm it. Hundreds will die.”
“Hundreds of mine. Thousands of yours.”
“Your garrison will perish to a man.”
“I know that song. Do you sing it to the tune of ‘The Rains of Castamere’? My men would sooner die upon their feet fighting than on their knees beneath a headsman’s axe.”

This is not going well. “This defiance serves no purpose, ser. The war is done, and your Young Wolf is dead.”

“Murdered in breach of all the sacred laws of hospitality.”

“Frey’s work, not mine.”

“Call it what you will. It stinks of Tywin Lannister.”

Jaime could not deny that. “My father is dead as well.”

“May the Father judge him justly.”

Now, there’s an awful prospect. “I would have slain Robb Stark in the Whispering Wood, if I could have reached him. Some fools got in my way. Does it matter how the boy perished? He’s no less dead, and his kingdom died when he did.”

“You must be blind as well as maimed, ser. Lift your eyes, and you will see that the direwolf still flies above our walls.”

“I’ve seen him. He looks lonely. Harrenhal has fallen. Seagard and Maidenpool. The Brackens have bent the knee, and they’ve got Tytos Blackwood penned up in Raventree. Piper, Vance,Mooton, all your bannermen have yielded. Only Riverrun remains. We have twenty times your
numbers.”

“Twenty times the men require twenty times the food. How well are you provisioned, my
lord?”
“Well enough to sit here till the end of days if need be, whilst you starve inside your walls.” He told the lie as boldly as he could and hoped his face did not betray him.
The Blackfish was not deceived. “The end of your days, perhaps. Our own supplies are ample,though I fear we did not leave much in the fields for visitors.”

“We can bring food down from the Twins,” said Jaime, “or over the hills from the west, if it comes to that.”
“If you say so. Far be it from me to question the word of such an honorable knight.”
The scorn in his voice made Jaime bristle. “There is a quicker way to decide the matter. A single combat. My champion against yours.”
“I was wondering when you would get to that.” Ser Brynden laughed. “Who will it be? Strongboar? Addam Marbrand? Black Walder Frey?” He leaned forward. “Why not you and me, ser?”

That would have been a sweet fight once, Jaime thought, fine fodder for the singers. “When Lady Catelyn freed me, she made me swear not to take arms again against the Starks or Tullys.”

“A most convenient oath, ser.”

His face darkened. “Are you calling me a coward?”

“No. I am calling you a cripple.” The Blackfish nodded at Jaime’s golden hand. “We both know you cannot fight with that.”

“I had two hands.” Would you throw your life away for pride? a voice inside him whispered. “Some might say a cripple and an old man are well matched. Free me from my vow to Lady Catelyn and I will meet you sword to sword. If I win, Riverrun is ours. If you slay me, we’ll lift the siege.”

Ser Brynden laughed again. “Much as I would welcome the chance to take that golden sword away from you and cut out your black heart, your promises are worthless. I would gain nothing from your death but the pleasure of killing you, and I will not risk my own life for that... as small
a risk as that may be.”

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'm assuming she shows up. We had the brotherhood mentioned a couple weeks ago, then tonight they show up, and jamie's in riverrun with brienne on the way. Everything's in place.

The thing with Jon is that he learned how to lead from mormont. **** all that bastard shit, he grew past it. It's the whole 'I fought and I lost' shit from his first episode back that we're still seeing now. He's come back broken, rather than as a leader. Which is fine storywise, just a bit annoying to watch. At least for me.

But hey, there are no heroes...

When push comes to shove, he will be the hero.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I know. You guys want to talk about it openly again, then what will be will be. Just seems to be the last real shocker left. Maybe some haven't put two and two together.

Not saying its some kind of new rule. Just a suggestion for now. If the group says **** them, then **** em.

Nobody is saying **** them. We're saying **** the moving goal posts. You laid down the rules already.

NO ****ING CHANGING THEM EVERY ****ING WEEK.

There's already enough confusion about what the rules are regarding spoiler tags. Make a decision and stick with it. Please.

[Gravedigger]

Kind of a meh episode, was nice to see Blackfish and Jaime, also nice to see Jaime backhand the Frey's with his metal pimp hand.

I think they need to work on their pacing at this point, it seems that they should be giving characters episodes off more frequently instead of shoving a bunch of little bits into each episode. I know Dany had this week off, but I almost would've liked to see Jaime's stuff from next week with Brienne instead of the Arya stuff. Then focus the Arya stuff next week.

[listopencil]

I liked the subplot of Hound living among the Amish there for a bit. Give him a taste of what peace may be like and a possible benefit of following a spiritual path. Then have scumbags take it away from him. Let him look upon Cersei as an embodiment of the evil of a corrupt State with no moral guidance. I could see a big chunk of character development coming for him.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I liked the subplot of Hound living among the Amish there for a bit. Give him a taste of what peace may be like and a possible benefit of following a spiritual path. Then have scumbags take it away from him. Let him look upon Cersei as an embodiment of the evil of a corrupt State with no moral guidance. I could see a big chunk of character development coming for him.

I'm hoping so. He's been an anti-hero trying to break out all series IMO.

[Gravedigger]

I didn't like how they villainized the Brotherhood, always seemed on the show that they didn't lay waste to entire encampments of peaceful people, just Lannisters and Freys. I know they're bandits, but they have a code.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

I didn't like how they villainized the Brotherhood, always seemed on the show that they didn't lay waste to entire encampments of peaceful people, just Lannisters and Freys. I know they're bandits, but they have a code.

In the books they wouldn't have slaughtered the whole lot of them unless they were aligned with Freys/Lannisters.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I liked the subplot of Hound living among the Amish there for a bit. Give him a taste of what peace may be like and a possible benefit of following a spiritual path. Then have scumbags take it away from him. Let him look upon Cersei as an embodiment of the evil of a corrupt State with no moral guidance. I could see a big chunk of character development coming for him.

He already thought that. That is why he was never knighted as he thought it was a farce that a monster like his brother could have any honor just because he got bestowed a title.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I know. You guys want to talk about it openly again, then what will be will be. Just seems to be the last real shocker left. Maybe some haven't put two and two together.

Not saying its some kind of new rule. Just a suggestion for now. If the group says **** them, then **** em.

Originally Posted by unlurking

Nobody is saying **** them. We're saying **** the moving goal posts. You laid down the rules already.

NO ****ING CHANGING THEM EVERY ****ING WEEK.

There's already enough confusion about what the rules are regarding spoiler tags. Make a decision and stick with it. Please.

Is your reading comprehension that bad? Or are you just being an asshole in a fun media thread?

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

He already thought that. That is why he was never knighted as he thought it was a farce that a monster like his brother could have any honor just because he got bestowed a title.

Until now he seems to have been fueled by bitter hatred and self preservation. I think traveling with Arya changed him a bit. Not much, but a bit. Going through what he has recently, and seeing the potential for a peaceful fulfilling life unfold in front of him, I think it was getting to him. The thoughts are there. I think the High Sparrow could do some work with him.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Is your reading comprehension that bad? Or are you just being an asshole in a fun media thread?

You've been the biggest asshole in this thread. Butthurt we are talking game of thrones.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Until now he seems to have been fueled by bitter hatred and self preservation. I think traveling with Arya changed him a bit. Not much, but a bit. Going through what he has recently, and seeing the potential for a peaceful fulfilling life unfold in front of him, I think it was getting to him. The thoughts are there. I think the High Sparrow could do some work with him.

How does he get to Kings Landing in time for the "trial"? How does the High Sparrow even know the Hound has been hanging out with the faith?

But, everyone can see the blood feud coming to its inevitable conclusion.