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06-11-2014, 11:13 AM | #2851 | |
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And you're still not taking touches into account. I don't even have to look Jamaal's stats up in our playoff games. Against Baltimore he had 9 carries for 91 yards and a TD in 2 1/2 quarters before he was inexplicably pulled by Todd Haley and 3 carries for 18 yards in 6 plays against Indy... |
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06-11-2014, 11:43 AM | #2852 |
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TD carried Denver through the playoffs, yeah he had Elway but Elway was far from his prime when TD was there. Bubby Brister might have won us a Super Bowl with those teams.
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06-11-2014, 11:47 AM | #2853 | |
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TD's physicality in an era that predated many of the offense-friendly rule changes was an aspect that JC doesn't have, just like JC's elusiveness is an aspect that TD didn't have. Many of your points can be seen from the flip side as well. JC working with poor QBs opens up opportunities in the passing game for him, many passes that should go downfield end up going to him as a checkdown. YPR is naturally higher than YPC, because incomplete passes and even drops are not counted against the receiver. 16% of JC's touches are passes (21% in 2013), while only 10% of TD's were, which raises JC's yards per touch. The fact that TD outscored JC on a per-touch basis while also being depended on more as an every down back is staggering. |
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06-11-2014, 12:31 PM | #2854 | |
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You make a few points but I just have to disagree on most. The thing I take most issue with is the idea that Jamaal isn't an every down back. He's certainly not a bruiser but he's every bit as much a part of our offensive gameplan as Terrell Davis was. He's basically been our entire offense since he took over the starting role in 09. Playing with Capt Checkdowns might benefit you a bit in the amount of looks you get in the passing game but I have to guess its an overall negative in that it allows the defense to key on the short passing game and cheat defenders up into the box, which usually means less opportunities in the running game as well. Jamaal's YPR boosting his YPT is really inconsequential. He averages a full yard more per carry than TD. JC has played six seasons in the NFL and has never averaged less than 5.0. TD's best season as far as YPC is concerned was 5.1. |
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06-11-2014, 12:33 PM | #2855 |
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Dude Charles played one postseason game. Small sample size.
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06-11-2014, 01:33 PM | #2856 |
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06-11-2014, 02:19 PM | #2857 | |
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Look at it this way: JC has had 8 multi-TD games in his career, TD had 19. They have played in nearly the same number of games (82 vs 86). |
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06-11-2014, 02:22 PM | #2858 |
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06-11-2014, 02:46 PM | #2859 | |
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Bub wasn't winning you a ****ing Super Bowl
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06-11-2014, 03:32 PM | #2860 | |
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Still, if you take a look at the last two seasons, he's touched the ball on 32% of our offense's plays, which puts him right up there with TD. As for the touchdown statistics, I guess it's just a matter of how much you think surrounding talent contributes. There's no question that Jamaal has played on some of the most anemic offenses in recent memory. In 2009 we only scored 26 offensive TDs (once again, he only started 9 games that season) and in 2012 we only scored 17 offensive TDs (God, that's horrible). For comparison, we weren't even top 5 in scoring this season and managed 41 offensive TDs. I don't think it's a coincidence that his TD production skyrocketed in a capable offense with a coach that fully utilizes his talents. ... But numbers aside, I don't see how you can watch a Chiefs game and think Jamaal isn't the main, driving force behind our offense. |
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06-11-2014, 09:35 PM | #2861 | |
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TD is the most overrated player of all time. Shanahan could stick any player at rb and could pick up 1200 yards. How many running backs did he let go/trade? |
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06-14-2014, 03:26 PM | #2865 |
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