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Old 04-07-2014, 06:13 PM  
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:36 PM   #271
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Self extended both regular season games against ISU with fouls in 2012-2013. They ended up going to overtime both times as a result and won them. That's just in recent memory, but there are, of course, countless examples of this.
I just looked up the game in Ames. KU sent them to the line only three times in the last four minutes, where they went 5-6:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playby...60066&period=2
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:37 PM   #272
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You keep talking about standard strategy, and I keep trying to explain to you that UCONN is not a standard opponent and that your strategy had almost zero chance of working. If you honestly can't see why UCONN going 102-115 from the FT in the tourney was one helluva deterrent to fouling a bunch at the end......
Everybody does it in the NBA too. And that's a league where players actually hit their FTs at a much higher rate. Should be obvious as to the reason why.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:39 PM   #273
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I just looked up the game in Ames. KU sent them to the line only three times in the last four minutes, where they went 5-6:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playby...60066&period=2
Sure looks like Lucious missed a FT there with 11 seconds left that led to KU being able to tie with a 2 PT shot (or as it turned out, 2 foul shots from EJ).
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:45 PM   #274
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Self extended both regular season games against ISU with fouls in 2012-2013. They ended up going to overtime both times as a result and won them. That's just in recent memory, but there are, of course, countless examples of this.
Didn't KU foul to extend MU in AFH their last year?
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:49 PM   #275
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Sure looks like Lucious missed a FT there with 11 seconds left that led to KU being able to tie with a 2 PT shot (or as it turned out, 2 foul shots from EJ).
They neither extended the game by fouling repeatedly, nor did ISU miss their FT. 5-6 is not missing. Fouling down 4 is also substantially different from fouling down 1. Your comparison doesn't work, it's not even close.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:52 PM   #276
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Didn't KU foul to extend MU in AFH their last year?
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:00 PM   #277
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They neither extended the game by fouling repeatedly, nor did ISU miss their FT.
That's exactly what extending the game is...creating more possessions. And yes, they did. Lucious missed one.


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Fouling down 4 is also substantially different from fouling down 1. Your comparison doesn't work, it's not even close.
Same principle applies.
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Remembering it wrong I guess.

Anyway, I'm done. If you think playing it out and counting on turnovers from Napier and Boatright in addition to hitting threes is a better strategy than fouling there's not much left I can say to change your mind.
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:07 PM   #279
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Remembering it wrong I guess.

Anyway, I'm done. If you think playing it out and counting on turnovers from Napier and Boatright in addition to hitting threes is a better strategy than fouling there's not much left I can say to change your mind.
They would've had to hit 3s even if they applied your strategy. So that makes no sense.
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They would've had to hit 3s even if they applied your strategy. So that makes no sense.
They ended up jacking 3s using your strategy.
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:23 PM   #282
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True. Anytime you get down 4 in the final minute you are in serious trouble and likely need to hit a couple 3s. Kentucky lost that game by going 13-24 from FT
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:32 PM   #283
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You keep talking about standard strategy, and I keep trying to explain to you that UCONN is not a standard opponent and that your strategy had almost zero chance of working. If you honestly can't see why UCONN going 102-115 from the FT in the tourney was one helluva deterrent to fouling a bunch at the end......
You can't see why running out of time is a bad strategy?
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True. Anytime you get down 4 in the final minute you are in serious trouble and likely need to hit a couple 3s. Kentucky lost that game by going 13-24 from FT
They did. That isn't the argument. The argument is that extending the game is a better strategy than hoping they'll throw you the ball.
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:10 PM   #285
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