Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 187

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

dlphg9 · 12-11-2018, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

What I see here is a two-sided argument, with opposing views being categorized under the pro-Berry and anti-Berry groups. The anti-Berry crowd state their opinions and arguments, right or wrong. The pro-Berry crowd state their opinions, but they also engage in insults and mudslinging. Hmm, not able to have a discussion without throwing personal insults?

Lol wtf? You are such a tool. Of course your side is the side with the most class. Both sides have idiots and both sides have people that state their opinions/arguments in a civil manner. You are an idiot though, it's laughable that you think otherwise.

It's like God damn ground hog day in this thread though, so I understand why people are slinging insults you're way. There are certain people (you're the absolute****ingworst, you're the god damn Summa Cum Laude of the bitches) that are still whining and moaning and bitching about the same thing they were bitching about in the first Eric Berry injury thread. How miserably boring is your life that you've become obsessed (maybe addicted is a better word) with giving your unchanged opinion everyday for a quarter of a year.

How about we wait until he doesn't play against the Chargers to bitch about him not playing against the Chargers. Most reports would lead you to believe he's in a great deal of pain and is saving himself to play when it matters, so why in the hell would he have a full practice when he's in as much pain as he's in?

threebag · 12-11-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Good Lord, have you watched Parker play this year? Berry at 50% would still be better than Parker.

You have to get on the field first

GloryDayz · 12-11-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

Hopefully Andy can pull a rabbit out of his hat and Berry will play but I just don’t feel it

When he does it will be two plays and then a limp

I think that's what we all want (sans the limp)... Berry playing, little to no rust, and a secondary that allows the big dogs up front to somewhat eat.

GloryDayz · 12-11-2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men

I wouldn’t play him in rainy conditions.

Because of the achilles, ACL, or Haglunds?

dlphg9 · 12-11-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mac459

How could you even begin to argue the Haglund is a non football injury and prove that? How could you even begin to argue that well enough to put him on the NFI or breech of contract?

I wouldn't even attempt to talk to him about this since multiple people have told him he's wrong but he keeps saying it anyway.

GloryDayz · 12-11-2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Good Lord, have you watched Parker play this year? Berry at 50% would still be better than Parker.

Yeah, well he's at 0%, not a hard mark to beat. Hell I'm tied with him right now and I just play/coach hockey!

So we'll see Thursday what level he can play at.

OKchiefs · 12-11-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

I wouldn't even attempt to talk to him about this since multiple people have told him he's wrong but he keeps saying it anyway.

Multiple people have also given me shit for the past 2-3 months for criticising Berry and the team, yet here we are almost finished with the regular season and Berry still can't practice on more than a limited basis. There's also a lot more people joining me on the bandwagon. I'm aware I've made a dumb comment or two (or 100), but there have also been a lot of know-it-alls who blasted me all season that are looking pretty dumb now. So basically, none of us know what the hell is going on and we should all step back a bit before we make any proclamations of knowing what the hell we're talking about.

Flying High D · 12-11-2018, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I just wonder what the plan is for after this year. Is he going to have surgery on it? They can't go in to next year with this again.

Review his contract, it’s murderous. Dorsey didn’t want to do it, Chunt did it. Then Dorsey gets fired because of the cap situation.

threebag · 12-11-2018, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Multiple people have also given me shit for the past 2-3 months for criticising Berry and the team, yet here we are almost finished with the regular season and Berry still can't practice on more than a limited basis. There's also a lot more people joining me on the bandwagon. I'm aware I've made a dumb comment or two (or 100), but there have also been a lot of know-it-alls who blasted me all season that are looking pretty dumb now. So basically, none of us know what the hell is going on and we should all step back a bit before we make any proclamations of knowing what the hell we're talking about.

All we know for sure he is day to day and hasn’t played a down all season

**ptlyon** · 12-11-2018, 03:45 PM

Jesus Christ. I wonder how many weeks now Berry has had a restraining order against OK. It is literally all he posts about.

Shoes · 12-11-2018, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Lol wtf? You are such a tool. Of course your side is the side with the most class. Both sides have idiots and both sides have people that state their opinions/arguments in a civil manner. You are an idiot though, it's laughable that you think otherwise.

It's like God damn ground hog day in this thread though, so I understand why people are slinging insults you're way. There are certain people (you're the absolute****ingworst, you're the god damn Summa Cum Laude of the bitches) that are still whining and moaning and bitching about the same thing they were bitching about in the first Eric Berry injury thread. How miserably boring is your life that you've become obsessed (maybe addicted is a better word) with giving your unchanged opinion everyday for a quarter of a year.

How about we wait until he doesn't play against the Chargers to bitch about him not playing against the Chargers. Most reports would lead you to believe he's in a great deal of pain and is saving himself to play when it matters, so why in the hell would he have a full practice when he's in as much pain as he's in?

Day to Day Groundhog Day.... nice little ring to it if you ask me

Shoes · 12-11-2018, 03:47 PM

Also first pick six of the season for Berry everyone is gonna post how much they love the guy (much like when Tyreek scored his first punt return TD against the Donks).

Book mark this post and you'll see.

KCUnited · 12-11-2018, 03:51 PM

Which season?

threebag · 12-11-2018, 03:51 PM

Haglund 15
Berry 0

OKchiefs · 12-11-2018, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Lol wtf? You are such a tool. Of course your side is the side with the most class. Both sides have idiots and both sides have people that state their opinions/arguments in a civil manner. You are an idiot though, it's laughable that you think otherwise.

It's like God damn ground hog day in this thread though, so I understand why people are slinging insults you're way. There are certain people (you're the absolute****ingworst, you're the god damn Summa Cum Laude of the bitches) that are still whining and moaning and bitching about the same thing they were bitching about in the first Eric Berry injury thread. How miserably boring is your life that you've become obsessed (maybe addicted is a better word) with giving your unchanged opinion everyday for a quarter of a year.

How about we wait until he doesn't play against the Chargers to bitch about him not playing against the Chargers. Most reports would lead you to believe he's in a great deal of pain and is saving himself to play when it matters, so why in the hell would he have a full practice when he's in as much pain as he's in?

Play when it matters? This game ****ing matters.

And again with the insults. You can infer a lot about someone who can't carry an argument without personal attacks.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1626899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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