What is your stance on aliens?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I thought they lived on chloroform?

[Easy 6]

Its just hilarious that people like Brainiac or Fish want to split hairs about the meanings of words, or how they're perceived, or how they're not credible as facts when people like The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the first head of the CIA say things like (para) "at the highest levels, Air Force officers are soberly concerned about these things".

Or, (para) "I call for an immediate congressional investigation into the ufo secrecy being perpetrated on the American people"

These people actually said those things, yet these guys just want to bury their heads in the sand and dissect the meaning of "appeal to authority"... if you cant or wont believe the words of unimpeachable figures laid out straight in front of you... then **** it, you're not worth discussing things with any further.

The legendary FBI director DIRECTLY REFERENCES CRASHED UFO'S and his desire to study one... nope, not good enough.

Furthermore, 50 or so responded "yes they exist but cant get here"... yet I quote something Sagan said that directly refutes that belief and its ****ing crickets.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Its just hilarious that people like Brainiac or Fish want to split hairs about the meanings of words, or how they're perceived, or how they're not credible as facts when people like The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the first head of the CIA say things like (para) "at the highest levels, Air Force officers are soberly concerned about these things".

Or, (para) "I call for an immediate congressional investigation into the ufo secrecy being perpetrated on the American people"

These people actually said those things, yet these guys just want to bury their heads in the sand and dissect the meaning of "appeal to authority"... if you cant or wont believe the words of unimpeachable figures laid out straight in front of you... then **** it, you're not worth discussing things with any further.

The legendary FBI director DIRECTLY REFERENCES CRASHED UFO'S and his desire to study one... nope, not good enough.

Furthermore, 50 or so responded "yes they exist but cant get here"... yet I quote something Sagan said that directly refutes that belief and its ****ing crickets.

Nobody is splitting hairs about the meaning of words. We were just trying to explain to you how Appeal to Authority works, because you obviously don't understand. You seem to think that Appeal to Authority should for some reason be disregarded if the authority figure is authoritative enough in your mind. As if specific authority overrules the logical fallacy. But that's simply not how it works. That's the entire purpose of the fallacy.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Its just hilarious that people like Brainiac or Fish want to split hairs about the meanings of words, or how they're perceived, or how they're not credible as facts when people like The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the first head of the CIA say things like (para) "at the highest levels, Air Force officers are soberly concerned about these things".

Or, (para) "I call for an immediate congressional investigation into the ufo secrecy being perpetrated on the American people"

These people actually said those things, yet these guys just want to bury their heads in the sand and dissect the meaning of "appeal to authority"... if you cant or wont believe the words of unimpeachable figures laid out straight in front of you... then **** it, you're not worth discussing things with any further.

The legendary FBI director DIRECTLY REFERENCES CRASHED UFO'S and his desire to study one... nope, not good enough.

Furthermore, 50 or so responded "yes they exist but cant get here"... yet I quote something Sagan said that directly refutes that belief and its ****ing crickets.

Jesus ****ing Christ, I don't think we could explain it any more clearly than we already have. You don't get it. You'll never get it.

You probably never figured out how to program a VCR either, did you?

https://youtu.be/qQGgaI-BcI4

By now the cows understand why the "Appeal to Authority" is a logical fallacy and NOT a compelling argument.


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[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Jesus ****ing Christ, I don't think we could explain it any more clearly than we already have. You don't get it. You'll never get it.

You probably never figured out how to program a VCR either, did you?

https://youtu.be/qQGgaI-BcI4

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn what you and Fish' point is.

Nothing guys such as yourself have to say will sway me even one millimeter, and I'm sure that's likewise... have a great night.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn what you and Fish' point is.

Nothing guys such as yourself have to say will sway me even one millimeter, and I'm sure that's likewise... have a great night.

Of course you don't. You've made it abundantly clear that you refuse to use your own brain to analyze this issue. You defer to to the authority figures.

[BucEyedPea]

I don't think the inability to travel here due to distances or technology is even relevant because they could have superior technology we don't yet possess. It's kinda of arrogant of us puny humans to assume we have the best to date. LOL!

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I don't think the inability to travel here due to distances or technology is even relevant because they could have superior technology we don't yet possess. It's kinda of arrogant of us puny humans to assume we have the best to date. LOL!

Perhaps, however,regardless of their advancements there still exists an enormous distance from a habitable planet and they would still be looking for the same needle in the haystack we are. Maybe I cannot fathom such technology that would make it possible as it is the stuff that our science fiction consists of.

That being said, I could totally buy into the argument that if their society advanced magical powers that could whisk them away to our world they could do it.

Yep, that's my solution right there. Dump NASA and start new with the National Magic Association.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Perhaps, however,regardless of their advancements there still exists an enormous distance from a habitable planet and they would still be looking for the same needle in the haystack we are. Maybe I cannot fathom such technology that would make it possible as it is the stuff that our science fiction consists of.

That being said, I could totally buy into the argument that if their society advanced magical powers that could whisk them away to our world they could do it.

Yep, that's my solution right there. Dump NASA and start new with the National Magic Association.

Well, I said that because History Channel had this program on last night about a former US intel guy, who claimed how they tried to reverse engineer some alien technology found from a UFO crash at Roswell.

One was on how their craft traveled—completely unlike anything we have. He said it seemed like it used some kind of space/time continuum. They weren't able to reverse engineer that, but it reminded me of warp speed from Star Trek. It would move up, then just disappear in a nano second. It's funny how some of that sci-fi tech is stuff we have today. Look at Terminator and how we can have robot armies, and dogs. That would look like magic to our ancestors I'm sure. Some if it is scarey!

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Well, I said that because History Channel had this program on last night about a former US intel guy, who claimed how they tried to reverse engineer some alien technology found from a UFO crash at Roswell.

If we did have recovered technology from Roswell and/or other crashes (and I'm not saying we don't), I don't believe there's any way we could have reverse-engineered any of it. Not in the 40s, and not today. Assuming it's actually an extraterrestrial device, and not something originating from a species descended from a lost period of history on this planet. We're talking about a completely alien technology, absolutely nothing about it even remotely recognizable, whether we're talking the mechanics, the controls, the language, or the science behind it. It really would operate like magic to us, and we'd have absolutely no way to decipher any of it, unless we've had some kind of help. Which I just don't believe. Otherwise we just don't have any frame of reference.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

If we did have recovered technology from Roswell and/or other crashes (and I'm not saying we don't), I don't believe there's any way we could have reverse-engineered any of it. Not in the 40s, and not today. Assuming it's actually an extraterrestrial device, and not something originating from a species descended from a lost period of history on this planet. We're talking about a completely alien technology, absolutely nothing about it even remotely recognizable, whether we're talking the mechanics, the controls, the language, or the science behind it. It really would operate like magic to us, and we'd have absolutely no way to decipher any of it, unless we've had some kind of help. Which I just don't believe. Otherwise we just don't have any frame of reference.

But what if said alien species comes from a planet that's very similar or even identical to earth but from some other solar system, one w/ the same atomic energy has same or similar metals/minerals/elements etc? I mean we're able to see only a very small fraction of what actually exists out there. We've been conditioned on what we "think" Aliens are, what they look like etc from mostly Hollywood. Not saying i necessarily disagree w/ what you say, you may be even right..but at the end of the day there's just a lot of unknown and/or the federal govt is holding back classified info and we do in fact know a lot more than we thought.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

If we did have recovered technology from Roswell and/or other crashes (and I'm not saying we don't), I don't believe there's any way we could have reverse-engineered any of it. Not in the 40s, and not today. Assuming it's actually an extraterrestrial device, and not something originating from a species descended from a lost period of history on this planet. We're talking about a completely alien technology, absolutely nothing about it even remotely recognizable, whether we're talking the mechanics, the controls, the language, or the science behind it. It really would operate like magic to us, and we'd have absolutely no way to decipher any of it, unless we've had some kind of help. Which I just don't believe. Otherwise we just don't have any frame of reference.

According to Colonel Philip J. Corso (Ret.), we did exactly that on some of the items found at this Roswell crash. You'd have to watch the program on H2. It comes from FOIA declassified documents. "He [Corso] tells us how he spearheaded the Army’s reverse-engineering project that led to today’s integrated circuit chips, fiber optics, lasers, and super-tenacity fibers..."

The govt did not want the Russians to get any of this information, so that was a key reason it was kept secret.

They had other men on the program refuting some of of the claims by Corso, which I found plausible as well, since technology advances don't happen singularly by one individual, but can happen simultaneously or build upon other technology needed first which is what the other man said. Some things were coming along certain lines of development already which the other guy argued.

However, I found Corso's claim about one find from the crash that helped support the development of fiber optics since the alien craft had no wiring but fiber optics. Only the light. at that time here, in our fiber optics was unable to turn a corner. The sheathing over the fibers found at the Roswell crash, however, enabled the light to turn corners. Voila! That allowed fiber optics to become commercially viable.

I don't see that as any different than needing the development of other technology first in order for newer technology to develop or be cracked to move forward. Just in this case the source isn't from anyone here.

Here's his book on amazon. It's not the 1997 one which the program was based on...but it has even more in it than the earlier book per the page in the link. ( Don't know why I got what appears to be some Germanic language page. It is what came up.)
http://www.amazon.de/The-Day-After-R.../dp/067101756X

[loochy]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Yep, that's my solution right there. Dump NASA and start new with the National Magic Association.

It would be called the Ministry of Magic. It would be run by Gandalf.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by loochy

It would be called the Ministry of Magic. It would be run by Gandalf.

i was about to accuse you of mixing up your magical worlds, but then I remembered that Gandalf and Dumbledore are really the same guy anyway.

[keg in kc]

Hollywood has almost exclusively portrayed aliens as hominoid or humanoid. I think that's part of the issue: popular thought reflects the idea of life as we know it. Same issue that religion has in trying to make a truly alien concept like a deity think and act human, as if we could understand its actions and motives. Human nature. I get that. Of course we're in God's image. Of course extraterrestrial life would be just like us. That's what we're trained to believe, at least in the west. Humans are special. The center of everything. Whereas I think it's possible if not likely that life exists in a myriad of forms, forms we might not even recognize as even being life. As we know it.