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Old 10-29-2012, 07:41 AM  
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Well, who has made the switch? Is it worth the time and $40 for the upgrade? Will my life becoming better with it?
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Old 01-23-2014, 11:03 AM   #256
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I've supported a high volume of computer users since the Win 3.1 days. I've seen huge numbers of people make the conversions from Win3.1 to Win95/NT, Win95 to Win98, Win98 to Win2000, Win2000 to WinXP, WinXP to WinVista, WinVista to Win7. Never in all those transitions, have I seen the level of frustration and disgust that I've witnessed with the transition from Win7 to Win8. It's not even close. Change happens, but we're not just dealing with resistance to change here. I've seen plenty of that before. This is simply bad unintuitive design.
Let me get back to you in 6 months. We are moving everyone where I work from Win 7 to Win 8. Some touch interface, some standard desktop. I will let you know how it goes.
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Old 01-23-2014, 11:06 AM   #257
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I think Kaplin has talked me into giving it a shot. I need a new desktop & The only ones I see that have Windows 7 are more expensive. I will likely have to make the move at some point anyway.

(I'm waiting for someone to change my mind....)

Side note: Where do you guys go to buy computers? Is there a reason to go somewhere other than Best Buy? They have some pretty cheap deals on desktops right now.

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Old 01-23-2014, 11:21 AM   #258
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Depends on what you're looking for, and what your needs are. If looking for a gaming rig, I would build it myself, or look into some place like Digital Storm if you just need a home office type machine, Best Buy and Fry's are fine, but you might find better deals at dell.com or hp.com. If you are looking for a touch tablet interface, I would maybe look at the Surface Pro 2 (I really like it, downside is the screen is small) or the Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga.

If you (or anyone for that matter) has any questions on "how to", hit me up, I will be happy to help out.
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:07 PM   #259
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It's not really counter-intuitive. Swiping left from right to switch between programs, not that hard of a concept to grasp.
"Swiping" at all, when you have a regular mouse rather than a touchpad or touchscreen, is ABSOLUTELY counter-intuitive.

Kudos to Microsoft for doing what Apple and Google are doing - trying to create a ubiquitous experience across all Windows devices.

The problem is that Microsoft has ZERO control over PC hardware on the market, unlike Apple and Google, who tightly control not only tablet and smartphone devices, but also their desktop computing devices.

The standard PC out there is not a tablet or touchpad and Windows 8 is not built for it. It will get there with time. Microsoft is more just a victim of bad timing. Great idea but a little too soon.

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You're right not all change is good, but no change can be good if one isn't willing to invest at least a small amount of effort in learning what the change was and how to use it. Quite frankly, Win 8 is fine, it's not even complicated to use if you just take 5 minutes to figure out instead of wanting to be spoon fed everything. Microsoft could have done a lot better on the delivery, and maybe a couple of actual built in tutorials, but for the most part, the issue does not land at the operating systems feet. It is a solid, stable, and remarkably fast OS.
You do realize that there's a large (very large, in fact) contingent of PC buyers out there that are functionally illiterate when it comes to computer and have no choice but to use Windows 8 because that's what is being shipped, right?

Some people - a lot of people - NEED to be spoon fed. They're not everyday power users like we are.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:13 PM   #260
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The MAJOR problem with Windows 8 is that it was designed with the touch screen in mind. for tablets this is great and functions great. For the desktops that are out there in homes and business this is a major design flaw. When people have to go out and get third party software just to get the desktop to function normally this is a problem.

Shit, I wouldn't want a touchscreen desktop/laptop anyway. Defeats the whole purpose of it being a desktop/laptop. Now, if you have one of the convertible laptops that double as a tablet then it is a great OS.

Windows 8 got ahead of itself and tried to force users into something they just plain are not ready for. Had 60% or more users already been on touchscreen tech then it would have worked.
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:21 PM   #262
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Listen to you, saying that having to put forth some effort and learn something new is a bad thing.

Change happens, like it or not. The "classic" windows feel was going to have to change sooner or later. It couldn't stay the same forever, and people are upset over it. I get it, but I also don't understand how it is so hard to just move on.
The main bitch I hear is the start button gone. That was a real stupid move.
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:22 PM   #263
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They must not have watched the simple 10 minute video.
Couldn't figure out how to open up the YouTube app. Pity...
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The MAJOR problem with Windows 8 is that it was designed with the touch screen in mind. for tablets this is great and functions great. For the desktops that are out there in homes and business this is a major design flaw. When people have to go out and get third party software just to get the desktop to function normally this is a problem.

Shit, I wouldn't want a touchscreen desktop/laptop anyway. Defeats the whole purpose of it being a desktop/laptop. Now, if you have one of the convertible laptops that double as a tablet then it is a great OS.

Windows 8 got ahead of itself and tried to force users into something they just plain are not ready for. Had 60% or more users already been on touchscreen tech then it would have worked.
Yup. My wife likes it just fine on her new laptop that has a touch screen. I want to thrown mine across the room when I have to drag the mouse all the way across the damn screen just to close a ****ing program.
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after all this converstation and now my wifes win7 laptop that was upgraded to win8 has completely crashed after allowing windows update to run updates. Now I can't even get the win7 system restore partition to work.

POS OS.
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after all this converstation and now my wifes win7 laptop that was upgraded to win8 has completely crashed after allowing windows update to run updates. Now I can't even get the win7 system restore partition to work.

POS OS.
Eh, I'll gripe about the UI, but it's been rock solid for me in terms of performance.
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Eh, I'll gripe about the UI, but it's been rock solid for me in terms of performance.
Just too odd that it screwed up after a windows update. I'll get it figured out.
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