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Old 06-15-2016, 06:34 PM  
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Someone posted a link about it in a thread about the FX docudrama.

I've watched the first three episodes. To this point it is one of the greatest documentaries I've seen and sets the standard for an analysis of the intersection of race, class, and celebrity in America.
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:44 AM   #241
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I haven't watched the show, but my memory from the time is that the judge was terrible, the prosecutors ok but not that great, the defense team excellent, and the cops complete ****tards.

As I'm not terribly familiar with the testimony, I'm uncertain why they didn't try to keep it out. He must have been testifying as a fact witness, not an expert.

Once I watch the new show, I can probably comment with more intelligence.
They didn't really go onto depth about his testimony in the doc (if at all?) but as I've mentioned, I recently read the transcripts. Marcia Clark didn't attack him but rather tried to minimize the importance of his eyewitness account and notes.

She also went down the bizarre trail of pointing out that he copyrighted his notes, as if that was suspicious behavior for a copyright lawyer. He clearly explained the reason: He didn't want the notes published somewhere without his authorization.

While I agree that Ito made some really questionable decisions on what could and wouldn't be objected to and overruled, the prosecution team was completely overmatched and at times, ridiculously incompetent.
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:51 AM   #242
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They didn't really go onto depth about his testimony in the doc (if at all?) but as I've mentioned, I recently read the transcripts. Marcia Clark didn't attack him but rather tried to minimize the importance of his eyewitness account and notes.

She also went down the bizarre trail of pointing out that he copyrighted his notes, as if that was suspicious behavior for a copyright lawyer. He clearly explained the reason: He didn't want the notes published somewhere without his authorization.

While I agree that Ito made some really questionable decisions on what could and wouldn't be objected to and overruled, the prosecution team was completely overmatched and at times, ridiculously incompetent.
It was almost straight-up painful to watch Christopher Darden at times.

I believe at one point in the documentary, someone mentioned that every young, aspiring black lawyer idolized Johnny Cochrane and it likely would have been a dream come true for Darden to win a case vs. Cochrane... And then when he got absolutely owned...by his presumed idol...Its almost cringe-worthy to watch how dejected he came off afterwards.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:43 PM   #243
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I'm watching it a 2nd time.

Should win the Oscar next year.


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Old 07-02-2016, 02:26 AM   #244
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Watched it a couple nights ago, very good.
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Old 07-02-2016, 09:01 AM   #245
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Oscars are for theatrical movies, but...Emmys and golden globes seem to be shoe ins.
Amazing show
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Old 07-02-2016, 09:11 AM   #246
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Oscars are for theatrical movies, but...Emmys and golden globes seem to be shoe ins.
Amazing show
The producers made the unusual move of opening the doc that was scheduled for TV in movie theaters so that it could be Oscar eligible.

It also premiered at Sundance, in which it garnered rave reviews.
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:59 PM   #247
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Oscars are for theatrical movies, but...Emmys and golden globes seem to be shoe ins.
Amazing show
Maybe a Grammy???
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Old 07-02-2016, 04:05 PM   #248
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The producers made the unusual move of opening the doc that was scheduled for TV in movie theaters so that it could be Oscar eligible.

It also premiered at Sundance, in which it garnered rave reviews.
Interesting
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Old 07-02-2016, 04:08 PM   #249
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Interesting
I think the producers knew that they had something special, which is fairly rare, especially in the documentary world.
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Old 07-02-2016, 04:16 PM   #250
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I think the producers knew that they had something special, which is fairly rare, especially in the documentary world.
It makes sense. Creative idea.
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I was in a bar yesterday and they had the 30 for 30 OJ Simpson one on and it was incredible how all the jurors said it was payback for Rodney King. Not even an ounce of remorse or guilt.
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I was in a bar yesterday and they had the 30 for 30 OJ Simpson one on and it was incredible how all the jurors said it was payback for Rodney King. Not even an ounce of remorse or guilt.
Loved the juror who said she 'can't respect no woman who'll take a beatin.'

Of course, she eventually admitted she probably got her verdict wrong, so.
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Part 4 is gripping.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:50 PM   #254
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This. Really enjoying this.



Also relevant detail: supposedly Marcus Allen has a 13" penis. Nicole told OJ she "just played with him".


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Just binged watched the last 3 parts (took me a while to catch up) and yeah this is insanely good....must watch.

Cringed so hard at Darden having OJ try on the gloves (with latex...WTF) and having it completely backfire when it wasn't necessary at all.

It's crazy at how bad the prosecution botched the case when it was laid out to them on a silver platter...from the venue selection to leaning heavy on a POS like Fuhrman without vetting the living hell out of him beforehand, etc. What a clown show....

Ito made some....curious...decisions as well...like taking the jury to the Rockingham property for no apparent reason when he had to have known it would've been skewered to hell by the defense.

A shit show all around....no one comes out looking good. The jurors and their 3 1/2 deliberations....holy shit, also the fact that basically they were tired and wanted to go home so that's that. Man.....
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