NFLN Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

100-91 starts at 7pm Arrowhead time. I love this show, every year it's one of my favorites. Really gives a good insight to player opinions around the league. With all that said, who do you see making the list for us this year? Last year, we had Jamaal Charles (12), Justin Houston (27, criminally low after 22 sack season), Jeremy Maclin (61, after signing), and Tamba Hali (70).

I'll predict that this year making the player's list will be....

Charles (he'll make it, trust me)
Maclin
Kelce
Houston
Hali
DJ
Peters
Berry

That's 8 for me, which would likely be tied for the most or 2nd most in the league amongst teams...

Thus far:

Justin Houston:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Justin-Houston

Eric Berry: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-55-Eric-Berry

Marcus Peters: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Marcus-Peters

Jamaal Charles: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Jamaal-Charles

Derrick Johnson: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...errick-Johnson

Alex Smith: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-81-Alex-Smith

Tamba Hali: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-84-Tamba-Hali

Travis Kelce: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...1-Travis-Kelce

Jeremy Maclin: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Jeremy-Maclin

[mcaj22]

You cant just take Bortles 3 best games out and cherry pick his stats. Thats what got him on the list his ability to have a hot streak for a string of games. Thats how a team sometimes gets to the Super Bowl ala Flacco or Eli. Bortles has that ability to string 4 out of this world games together and carry his team. You take the bad with the good with a QB like him. He hasnt done it yet but he has the makings of it if the franchise ever compliments him and starts winning.

You can enjoy Alex Smiths effeciency and invisible touchdowns all you want but the fact remains that type of QB rarely makes the Super Bowl, Alex needed a historic elite #1 defense to get him there that set a bunch of records, and all those guys are now washed up or retired because they played so hard in that window for the 49ers. ( same is going to happen to your favorite Chiefs defenders as well ) It wasnt because Alex only threw 1 interception, they still shut people down with Kaepernick too.

So you enjoy the Trent Dilfers and Doug Williams game managers that take care of the ball and once every 20 years win a Super Bowl and Ill enjoy the gunslingers that toss it around the field and can get hot at any time.

To say youd take Alex Smith over any young QB in this game and that the Chiefs wouldnt be a contender, youre just lying to yourself and are a Chiefs fan content with mid tier QB play.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

You cant just take Bortles 3 best games out and cherry pick his stats. Thats what got him on the list his ability to have a hot streak for a string of games. Thats how a team sometimes gets to the Super Bowl ala Flacco or Eli. Bortles has that ability to string 4 out of this world games together and carry his team. You take the bad with the good with a QB like him. He hasnt done it yet but he has the makings of it if the franchise ever compliments him and starts winning.

You can enjoy Alex Smiths effeciency and invisible touchdowns all you want but the fact remains that type of QB rarely makes the Super Bowl, Alex needed a historic elite #1 defense to get him there that set a bunch of records, and all those guys are now washed up or retired because they played so hard in that window for the 49ers. ( same is going to happen to your favorite Chiefs defenders as well ) It wasnt because Alex only threw 1 interception, they still shut people down with Kaepernick too.

So you enjoy the Trent Dilfers and Doug Williams game managers that take care of the ball and once every 20 years win a Super Bowl and Ill enjoy the gunslingers that toss it around the field and can get hot at any time.

To say youd take Alex Smith over any young QB in this game and that the Chiefs wouldnt be a contender, youre just lying to yourself and are a Chiefs fan content with mid tier QB play.

Where the **** did I say that? JFC, talk about putting words in somebody's mouth.

I'm not even saying Bortles can't/won't be better than Alex. I'm just saying the Bortles of 2015 was not. We certainly wouldn't have gone any further with him, and probably don't even make the playoffs.

Also, that's not cherry picking stats as much as it is not allowing 3 big games against shit teams with terrible defenses that still ended up in losses excuse how bad he was for the majority of the season. 13 of his 38 TD's came in those 3 games. You can't just ****ing ignore that.

He played 3-4 playoff caliber defenses all year and wasn't very good against either of them. Can we at least see him do it against a defense that isn't among the NFL's worst before we make ridiculous claims?

[RunKC]

2012-Andrew Luck
2013-Geno Smith
2014-Blake Bortles
2015-Jared Goff

Why do the football gods hate us so much?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Bortles has nice potential, but it's not hard to pad stats when you're down in games week in and week out...

I'm not saying he isn't good, but he's got a ways to go before he's as good as he was ranked.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Bortles has nice potential, but it's not hard to pad stats when you're down in games week in and week out...

Then how come Alex can't do it?

[ThaVirus]

Thankfully we don't get blown out very often anymore, but in games in which we were beaten soundly Alex has choked on dicks.

17-27 loss at Denver in 2013: 46% completion percentage and 5.1 YPA.

7-23 loss against Indianapolis in 2013: 57% completion percentage, 153 yards, 5.5 YPA, 0 TDs, 1 INTs.

10-26 loss against Tennessee in 2014: 54% completion percentage, 5.8 YPA, 1 TD, 3 INTs.

16-29 loss against Denver in 2014: 153 yards.

28-38 loss at Green Bay in 2015: <300 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 fumbles.

21-36 loss at Cincinatti in 2015: 386 yards and 0 TDs.

[ThaVirus]

Like to see Bortles work on his decision making, but that's to be expected from a second year QB. From a purely statistical perspective, he showed great progression from his rookie season. Yards, YPA, TDs, passer rating, 20+ and 40+ yarders all took a HUGE jump while his INT % fell significantly.

If he can limit his mistakes and up his completion percentage, we'll be talking about a top 10 QB, possibly even top 5 with all of these old timers retiring in the next 3-4 seasons.

[ThaVirus]

It's also hilarious what and to whom people choose to latch onto.

This last season for Bortles was very similar to Luck's 2014 from a statistical standpoint while many elements of their game and surrounding circumstances also mirrored each other.

Bortles:

4,400 yards
7.3 YPA
35 TDs
18 INTs
14 fumbles

Luck in 2014:

4,700 yards
7.7 YPA
40 TDs
16 INTs
13 fumbles

They both had great receiving options with shit ass offensive lines.

And that's comparing a second year guy to a third year guy. If Bortles were the Chiefs QB id be excited as shit for the future.

[ThaVirus]

Andrew Luck, who is treated like a God by many on CP, has a career completion percentage of 58.1.

Bortles: 58.7.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

This last season for Bortles was very similar to Luck's 2014 from a statistical standpoint while many elements of their game and surrounding circumstances also mirrored each other.

Bortles:

4,400 yards
7.3 YPA
35 TDs
18 INTs
14 fumbles

Luck in 2014:

4,700 yards
7.7 YPA
40 TDs
16 INTs
13 fumbles.

And I'll tell you the major difference as to why the two are viewed at so differently: in 2014 the Colts defense allowed 23.1 PPG. The Jags in 2015? 28.

If the Jags had been able to hold their opponents to an average of 23.1 PPG last season they'd have made the playoffs. We probably still would have beaten them but I don't think it'd have been a 30-0 beatdown like we gave the Texans.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alex threw for 290 and 386 yards when we were getting our shit pushed in by Green Bay and Cincinatti early last year. If he averaged those yardage totals over the course of a season, he'd have over 5400 passing yards. Lol.

If we had sucked all year, his yards, TDs, and INTs would have all likely been up from where they were.

Let's see if Bortles can play with a lead.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Thankfully we don't get blown out very often anymore, but in games in which we were beaten soundly Alex has choked on dicks.

17-27 loss at Denver in 2013: 46% completion percentage and 5.1 YPA.

7-23 loss against Indianapolis in 2013: 57% completion percentage, 153 yards, 5.5 YPA, 0 TDs, 1 INTs.

10-26 loss against Tennessee in 2014: 54% completion percentage, 5.8 YPA, 1 TD, 3 INTs.

16-29 loss against Denver in 2014: 153 yards.

28-38 loss at Green Bay in 2015: <300 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 fumbles.

21-36 loss at Cincinatti in 2015: 386 yards and 0 TDs.

Some of these games the OL was horrific and others like the Titans the line was bad and Bowe was suspended so Donnie Avery was our only WR.

You're right about games like the Bengals though. We moved the ball but got FG's instead of TD's which is largely on Alex.

It's frustrating that there's flashes (Indy playoff game/Bills game last year) where he looks like that guy, but it's frustrating bc it's a rare occurrence and not the norm.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Some of these games the OL was horrific and others like the Titans the line was bad and Bowe was suspended so Donnie Avery was our only WR.

I understand that and you should not take this the wrong way because I'm not bashing Alex Smith, but as much as we complain about our offensive line being shit, the Jags probably had it worse.

Bortles was sacked 51 times to Smith's 45. Games in which the QB was sacked 5 or more times- Bortles: 4, Smith: 2.

Obviously that has a lot to do with the QB, but I highly doubt this board has spent much time actually watching Jaguars games so there's no need to go there.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Alex threw for 290 and 386 yards when we were getting our shit pushed in by Green Bay and Cincinatti early last year. If he averaged those yardage totals over the course of a season, he'd have over 5400 passing yards. Lol.



If we had sucked all year, his yards, TDs, and INTs would have all likely been up from where they were.



Let's see if Bortles can play with a lead.

Yeah, and in those games he threw 85 passes and could only muster 1 TD with an INT to go along with it.

Aside from that, in the other blowouts/convincing losses that I mentioned he didn't do much to pad his stats, which was my main point. 230, 153, 202, and 153 yards in the other games I brought up.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I understand that and you should not take this the wrong way because I'm not bashing Alex Smith, but as much as we complain about our offensive line being shit, the Jags probably had it worse.

Bortles was sacked 51 times to Smith's 45. Games in which the QB was sacked 5 or more times- Bortles: 4, Smith: 2.

Obviously that has a lot to do with the QB, but I highly doubt this board has spent much time actually watching Jaguars games so there's no need to go there.

That's a good point. Bortles is a lot bigger than Alex so he probably has more confidence in the pocket.

FTR I would take Bortles over Alex heading into this season. He's gonna be really good.