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Old 06-23-2015, 07:43 PM  
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Official NBA 2015 Off-Season

NBA Draft June 25th.
1Minnesota Timberwolves
Lottery luck means Minnesota can take either Okafor or Towns to solidfy the middle.
Karl Anthony Towns
2 Los Angeles Lakers
See above. Whichever elite big man is left after Minnesota picks is likely headed to L.A.
D'Angelo Russell.
3 Philadelphia 76ers
Philadelphia has one first round pick and a whopping five second round selections.
Jahlil Okafor
4 New York Knicks
The Lottery didn't go as they wanted, but there will still be plenty of talent available at No. 4.
Kristaps Porzingis
5 Orlando Magic
In need of perimeter scoring, power forward Kristaps Porzingis could be the best bet.
Mario Hezonja
6 Sacramento Kings
The Kings could be in good position to find the ideal Cousins compliment in Cauley-Stein.
Wilie Cauley-Stein
7 Denver Nuggets
In need of shooters, the Nuggets will have a handful of interesting options in play.
Emmanuel Mudiay
8 Detroit Pistons
Mario Hezonja or Winslow could be the way to go for a team lacking shooters.
Stanley Johnson F Arizona
9 Charlotte Hornets
Do the Hornets go with a power forward again, or go for the shooter they need?
Frank Kaminsky
10 Miami Heat
Miami's pick here depends on if Pat Riley believes Hassan Whiteside is the real deal.
Justise Winslow
11 Indiana Pacers
In need of offense and a shooter, Devin Booker would be the ideal pick here.
Myles Turner
12 Utah Jazz
Utah will be looking to add some more offense, possibly in the form of a stretch four.
Trey Lyles
13 Phoenix Suns
The Suns could be looking at a power forward, so there will be plenty of options.
Devin Booker
14 Oklahoma City Thunder
Finding a dependable backup for Russell Westbrook could be the way to go here.
Murray State guard Cameron Payne
15 Atlanta Hawks
Should Atlanta be looking to protect itself from free agency losses? (From Brooklyn)
Kelly Oubre traded to Washington for the No. 19 pick tonight and two future second-round picks.
16 Boston Celtics
Brad Stevens needs to add prospects on both ends of the floor to his stable.
Terry Rozier Louisville
17 Milwaukee Bucks
The Bucks would love to add another scorer to their young stable.
Rashad Vaughn UNLV
18 Houston Rockets
Is the possible backup point guard solution out there for Houston? (From New Orleans)
Sam Dekker
19 Washington Wizards Traded to Atlanta along with 2 future 2nd rounders for Kelly Oubre.
Is there a right fit at this spot to go alongside the team's thrilling backcourt?
Jerian Grant- traded to the Knicks for Tim Hardaway Jr.
20 Toronto Raptors
The Raptors need a shakeup badly, and will be looking for a youngster that can step up.
Delon Wright Utah
21 Dallas Mavericks
Forever getting older, Dallas could use youth in the front and backcourts.
Justin Anderson
22 Chicago Bulls
Will Chicago's new coach start molding his new team with a college face he knows well?
Bobby Portis
23 Portland Trail Blazers
Do the Blazers need a contigency plan if LaMarcus Aldridge leaves via free agnecy?
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
24 Cleveland Cavaliers
The Cavs are always looking for shooters who can create space for LeBron James.
Tyus Jones will be traded to the Timberwolves
25 Memphis Grizzlies
Memphis might look to start replacing its aging big men with a project here.
Jarell Martin
26 San Antonio Spurs
San Antonio is always reloading from odd places. Do they go overseas again?
Nikola Milutinov
27 Los Angeles Lakers
After scoring big early, the Lakers will look to fill out the roster. (From Houston)
Larry Nance Jr.
28 Boston Celtics
The playoff berth proved that the rebuilding project is ahead of schedule.(From Clippers)
R.J. Hunter
29 Brooklyn Nets
This pick was swapped with Atlanta in the Joe Johnson trade. (From Atlanta)
Chris McCullough
30 Golden State Warriors
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:25 PM   #241
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:32 PM   #242
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:35 PM   #243
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Somehow I don't think Gilbert has an issue spending the money. Dunleavy wouldn't have stopped them from doing anything.
Um, yes it would have. The Cavs can afford a lot of their moves because they own the Bird rights. They can afford, say, Splitter and Mills because of Haywood's trade exception. They have almost no room to add true free agents.

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I don't doubt it. I also don't doubt that he backed all the moves that you claim to be good (and that you at the same time rather conveniently claim to be solely Griffin's responsibility).
Again... there is a clear link toward Lebron lobbying for Marion, Miller, James Jones, and KLove. Find me a single link that says he lobbied for the other trades, other than "they checked with him and he was okay with it."

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LeBron James is one of the smartest basketball minds we've ever seen in this league. If he still wants to work in the NBA when his career is over down the line, I'd gladly take him in my favorite team's front office (hell, it certainly couldn't be worse than what they've got right now).
Being a great basketball mind does not make you a good GM. Or personnel guy. See Michael Jordan.

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In any case, Griffin apparently has a great gig going. He gets the praise for all the moves that work out, while he apparently can dump the responsibility onto a scapegoat for all the rest. So how are we going to categorize the Love/TT signings? Are they ultimately on Griffin or LeBron? Of course, maybe we should just wait to do this until we have the benefit of hindsight like with all the others.
TT was a Lebron signing. They share the same agent and Lebron went on the record saying he wants him back
Love was a Lebron trade and a Gilbert re-signing. Love signed because Gilbert agreed to pay way above the cap to get him. Unlike Dunleavy, Love has bird rights.
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:40 PM   #244
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But Thompson isn't good. Not on offense, not on defense. He does one thing well. They just spent $80 million on this generation's Kevin Willis
Thompson is a good player. Would i have paid him that much? No. But with the Bird rights, that's a Gilbert issue, not a cap issue. Not sure where you're getting that he's not good on offense or defense. He's not exceptional at either, but he's not a liability on either side. But he's also an exceptional rebounder and a big reason for the Cavs' playoff success. He completely manhandled defenses on the offensive boards.
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:43 PM   #245
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:44 PM   #246
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If you like overpaying guys who were NBA castaways for most of their career until they fell into the right system. He fills a hole, but it's still maybe the worst signing that team has made since Hedo Turkoglu in '09 and seals their fate as a treadmill team for the next 3-5 years (especially if DeRozan sticks around).

It's a shame too because they were so close to rebuilding the right way a couple of years ago before Lowry got very good out of nowhere. At this point, playoffs are the expectations with the fans/media and they have to do anything and everything to stay there. Would not surprise me if Wes Matthews was next up.
If he plays as well as he has the last couple of years, it's not out of bounds based on where contracts are going. That said, he's a nice complement, not a top 2 player on a championship team. Still need to find those guys.
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:44 PM   #247
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Thompson is a good player. Would i have paid him that much? No. But with the Bird rights, that's a Gilbert issue, not a cap issue. Not sure where you're getting that he's not good on offense or defense. He's not exceptional at either, but he's not a liability on either side. But he's also an exceptional rebounder and a big reason for the Cavs' playoff success. He completely manhandled defenses on the offensive boards.
He's trash in offense, below average on defense. I understand it's not a cap problem, but winning a championship with Tristan Thompson as a starter is a major problem.
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:45 PM   #248
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Grizz get Brandan Wright, 3/$18M. That's good value, and he'll replace Koufos, who I believe wants to go somewhere he'll get more time.


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Old 07-01-2015, 04:48 PM   #249
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He's trash in offense, below average on defense. I understand it's not a cap problem, but winning a championship with Tristan Thompson as a starter is a major problem.
Below average on defense? GSW probably begs to differ. He'll be part of a big rotation for the Cavs.
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Below average on defense? GSW probably begs to differ. He'll be part of a big rotation for the Cavs.
Draymond Green and his scrub skills do not make Tristan Thompson a good defender. Call him average, I don't care, but he's not a plus defender.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:01 PM   #251
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Draymond Green and his scrub skills do not make Tristan Thompson a good defender. Call him average, I don't care, but he's not a plus defender.
Ask their guards when he was put in pick and roll, not Draymond. You realize the Cavs defense was working in unison, and Tristan's ability to stick with the guards coming off screens was vital? His mobility on D and rebounding warrants a big deal. He got more than he's worth, but as zilla said, it's not a cap issue.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:06 PM   #252
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Ask their guards when he was put in pick and roll, not Draymond. You realize the Cavs defense was working in unison, and Tristan's ability to stick with the guards coming off screens was vital? His mobility on D and rebounding warrants a big deal. He got more than he's worth, but as zilla said, it's not a cap issue.
He had a good playoffs, and he's better than I ever thought he'd be, but I'm just not sold. To me, he's just another no-talent bitch that gets a pass because he appears to try hard. **** you, Pat Beverley!!!!!
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:07 PM   #253
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Ask their guards when he was put in pick and roll, not Draymond. You realize the Cavs defense was working in unison, and Tristan's ability to stick with the guards coming off screens was vital? His mobility on D and rebounding warrants a big deal. He got more than he's worth, but as zilla said, it's not a cap issue.
Yup, that's what I saw too. Played tremendous help defense. Off the pick, was often the only line of defense for Klay / Curry. Rudy's right that he's not a plus defender, but he's not below average. He's a good enough defender. He's not a great offensive player, but has a good enough inside game especially on second chance opportunities. But his offensive rebounding was a complete game changer in the playoffs and has always been a great rebounder. Because he's got fundamentals but also has ridiculous length and ups.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:36 PM   #254
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Shumpert stays with Cavs, 4/$40M. Dan Gilbert not f'ing around.
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Another sports offseason and another group of WTF contracts going on. Paul Millsap for 19.6 a year? Tristan Thompson? Demarre Carroll? Brandon Knight? The list will grow. Holy crap.

Shumpert for 10 million a year?!

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