SI : Chiefs have a problem and his name is Dwayne Bowe

[pr_capone]

His performance so far this season has been underwhelming. He is in a position to clock in his worst performance in the NFL so far and is projecting to have 54 receptions for 586 yards w/6TD.

Is his problem that defenses are keying in on him... or is it that, as suggested by Greg Bedard, that Bowe has lost a step and is no longer a top tier WR?

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/11/greg-b...preview-notes/

6. The Chiefs will win a lot of games with their current formula: good defense that takes the ball away (15 times so far) and an offense that doesn’t turn it over (just five) for an NFL-leading plus-10 in giveaways/takeaways. But to beat the good teams, they’re going to have to start stretching the field. Defenses know QB Alex Smith is overly conservative, so they’re dropping a safety down and playing a lot of man. The Chiefs have a big problem with receiver Dwayne Bowe. Not sure what has happened to him, but he lacks explosion and can’t beat man coverage anymore. Defenses don’t fear him at all.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

You know an all-time great NFL QB who threw a ton of picks?

Brett Favre. In fact, he's got the NFL record for most picks in a career.

You know an all-time great NFL QB whose best quality was not throwing INTs?

Umm..... Trent Dilfer? Shaun King? I guess?

Steve Young.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What I don't get is why people are so critical of Eli Manning because of 2 Super Bowl runs, yet wash the balls of QBs like Brees and Rodgers who won one Super Bowl but have been otherwise very forgettable playoff QBs outside of that one single run.

Winning 2 SBs is no small accomplishment, and I don't think many QBs could have done it even with that team. I give Eli a halo because regardless of how he plays in the regular season, there are few QBs better than Eli I'd rather have once I get in the playoffs.

Because I don't believe Super Bowl wins are the end all be all of qb play. It's a part of it, yes.

But it's used so much to justify bad qb play IMO.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Steve Young.

Is Steve Young a great NFL QB because he didn't throw picks?

That's what O.City took issue with. Because I said "INTs aren't everything"

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

Choose one:

Brett Favre or Trent Dilfer

How many SBs could Favre have won with some of those packer teams if he weren't throwing picks?

It's doesn't have to be either or. A guy can make all the throws without being stupid withy the football.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

Is Steve Young a great NFL QB because he didn't throw picks?

That's what O.City took issue with. Because I said "INTs aren't everything"

It was one of Young's best qualities, yes.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So, in contrary to what you stated earlier, Manning and the Raper need a solid running game and defense to be elite, even though they are HOF'ers who can carry bad teams to wins, but Smith is still a schmuck because he's got a 2-14/7-9 team 5-0.

Gotcha.

Eli and Big Ben have won a Super Bowl where their running games were so-so, and their defenses weren't elite. Eli in particular... that's not ideal for him. You're forcing him to play outside his strengths, which would be no different from if Green Bay told Aaron Rodgers they were going to start running R2P2.

And I never said Smith was a schmuck. I'm not a Smith fan, but I've been one of the most complimentary of his play so far so you need to lay off that shit. I just hate when people say Smith is magically turning around a 2-14 team. He is doing a good job managing a team that was far better than their record. And the idea that Eli and Big Ben couldn't have big success here, given how much better our supporting casts are... that makes you sound like an enormous homer. There's no doubt Eli and Big Ben are in a class way above Alex Smith... so far. That doesn't mean Smith is doing a bad job.

[O.city]

Big Ben won a sb without an elite defense?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because I don't believe Super Bowl wins are the end all be all of qb play. It's a part of it, yes.

But it's used so much to justify bad qb play IMO.

This isn't the Chicago Bears or Bucs who got to the Super Bowl in spite of their QB. In the 2 Super Bowl runs, Eli was elitely efficient. In the 2011 Super Bowl, he was playing at an elite level (apart from the SF game... he was pretty so-so). So that's where I disagree with you. He's not even close to Trent Dilfer.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This isn't the Chicago Bears or Bucs who got to the Super Bowl in spite of their QB. In the 2 Super Bowl runs, Eli was elitely efficient. In the 2011 Super Bowl, he was playing at an elite level (apart from the SF game... he was pretty so-so). So that's where I disagree with you. He's not even close to Trent Dilfer.

Again, I'm not arguing necessarily differently.

Just that because he won 2 SBs, it seems people can't evaluate that outside of those two elite runs, he's been a scattershot down field passer.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Bowe is going off this week...bank on it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Big Ben won a sb without an elite defense?

Arguably, the Steelers' defense the past 5 years has been a rapidly declining defense that does statistically well, but had a lot of cracks in the armor. In the last 2 runs to the Super Bowl, the playoff defense gave up 23 points or more in 4 of the 6 games. Those runs were mostly Big Ben.

[dj56dt58]

I wish boe had more passes throne his way even if it meens being 0-5 bow getting ketches is moor impotaent axle should force it in to himz

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Again, I'm not arguing necessarily differently.

Just that because he won 2 SBs, it seems people can't evaluate that outside of those two elite runs, he's been a scattershot down field passer.

Because the Giants are stupid. Eli isn't built this way, yet they've decided to completely ignore the RB position. Eli should be managing games. And in managing games, you'll get a frustratingly inconsistent regular season QB who is one of the last QBs you want to face in the playoffs.

And unlike many people, the idea that he has to have a RB control the tempo doesn't make him a bad QB. Again, it takes an elite skill set to manage games the way he can. But he has to have something to work with.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

How many SBs could Favre have won with some of those packer teams if he weren't throwing picks?

It's doesn't have to be either or. A guy can make all the throws without being stupid withy the football.

No, you're strawmanning this. I never said, "It's not important if QBs throw INTs. Throw all the picks you want! I don't care! They don't matter!"

The issue was, "INTs aren't everything." I argued that not throwing INTs is not hte QB's #1 priority, within reason.

This all got started because we were talking about a hypothetical Alex Smith that didn't have a great RB like Jamaal Charles and a great defense, which is the very position Eli Manning finds himself in. If you take those things away, it destroys Alex's rhythm completely, and all he has left is not throwing picks.

Steve Young never would have turned into that version of Alex Smith in the same position. That's why Young has a Super Bowl and is in the HOF. Not because he didn't throw INTs.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...

Their problem is that they are 5-0.

It sucks, I know, but what the hell are you to do?

Personally, who gives a rat's ass about who is getting the ball. The game isn't about Dwayne Bowe's fantasy numbers, it's about getting enough wins to get to the playoffs which gives you the possibility, a chance at hoisting the Lombardi at the very end.

Didn't need to read any further. THIS. Just glad that Bowe got paid already... so he should have nothing to bitch about. Just smile, draw coverage, win games, and cash your checks. Would be nice if he can up his effort level to say.. 85%.. but even at his current 75%, he's still a threat, so...