*** Official San Francisco Giants @ Kansas City Royals World Series Game 1 Thread ***

[alnorth]

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
SF	3	0	0	2	0	0	2	0	0	7	10	1
KC	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	4	1

Giants Lead the Series, 1-0



Win Madison Bumgarner 7IP 1R 1ER 1BB 5K 1HR
Javier Lopez 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Hunter Strickland 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K

VS.



Loss "Big Game" James Shields 3IP 5R 5ER 1BB 1K 1HR
Danny Duffy 3IP 2R 2ER 3BB 3K
Tim Collins 2IP 0R 0ER 1BB 2K
Jason Frasor 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K

Home Runs

SF

Hunter Pence - Top 1st 2-run homer to center

KC

Salvador Perez - Bottom 7th solo shot to left

Starting Lineups

SF

1. Gregor Blanco, CF
2. Joe Panik, 2B
3. Buster Posey, C
4. Pablo Sandoval, 3B
5. Hunter Pence, RF
6. Brandon Belt, 1B
7. Mike Morse, DH
8. Travis Ishikawa, LF
8. Juan Perez, ph/LF
9. Brandon Crawford, SS

KC

1. Alcides Escobar, SS
2. Norichika Aoki, RF
3. Lorenzo Cain, CF
4. Eric Hosmer, 1B
5. Billy Butler, DH
5. Josh Willingham, ph/DH
6. Alex Gordon, LF
7. Salvador Perez, C
8. Omar Infante, 2B
9. Mike Moustakas, 3B

[SPchief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You guys need to see it as a long series. 1 game against the hottest single pitcher in the playoffs doesn't = a lost series.

Peavy and Hudson both have below average stuff. You can beat both of them easily. Bumgardner can't pitch 4 games this series. You have the bullpen weapon. You will get to fire that bullet against the rest of the Giants pitchers.

Yup

[Hootie]

can someone PM ROYC and get him to start the thread

I'd hate for that to be in the wrong hands

[Hootie]

I'd be ok with Lew doing it, as well

I don't want it to be a n00b or a non-regular

but someone has to get it done at 12:00 AM to prevent someone like Bruiser from starting it ... who hasn't posted in one of these one time this postseason

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

can someone PM ROYC and get him to start the thread

I'd hate for that to be in the wrong hands

I got it!

/Mav

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

which is what I tried saying the entire time

they would have literally given that base to Esky, and hell...probably 3rd, too

the pitcher's only job up 6 is to get outs, and focus on the hitter

but now this just opens up a new can of worms for another crop of people who are gonna be like "well then why didn't he just take 2nd and 3rd then!??!"

so god damnit

Yeah, the counter-argument then is since the double play still mattered in that situation, they still might throw, and the small chance that they throw and then get you out is still far too risky for the sake of 1 run. You usually don't get to indifference until 2 outs down late by a bunch.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I got it!

/Mav

you can start it, too

I'm not doing it, I know how unlucky I am

[TimeForWasp]

Originally Posted by milkman

Funiny thing is, when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s, the unwritten rule then was you don't steal bases when you're down 4 runs in the 7th.

Explain to me why not. I don't know shit about baseball. The only reason I am watching it now is because I am hoping the Chiefs get a fire lit under them.
But I was thinking, if your behind , you steal everything you can.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by milkman

You know that there is no one on this forum whose opinion I respect more than yours, Hamas, and when it comes to baseball, Al is right up there with you.

But I simply can not buy this.

Baseball is just random, man.

There have been statistical analyses done of hit sequencing--the probability that you are going to stack hit after hit. You are no more likely to get a hit after someone else has than if you were up there on your own unless the pitcher is struggling.

That's why things like RISP average for teams are so volatile. The Cardinals made the WS in 2013 based largely upon a completely unsustainable average w/ runners in scoring position. The next year those stats dropped precipitously. Did everyone on the team suddenly become worse at hitting the baseball with a man on second? No, they regressed to the mean.

Similarly, you may hear a broadcaster say, "Pitcher X scattered nine hits tonight." He didn't. People fall victim to the gambler's fallacy far too often in baseball. They assume that players are due when they aren't and that they players are white hot when they really aren't.

If you look at Game 4 that the Cardinals played against Kershaw. The 7th inning went "hit, hit, HR." All three of the runs for the game scored in three batters.

Now, if Kershaw throws those same pitches to those batters but does it to Holliday in the first, Peralta in the 4th, and Adams in the 7th, has he executed his pitches any worse? No. Three hittable pitches got hit.

What was the difference? The sequencing.

A lot of Royals fans don't want to believe it, and a lot of Cardinals fans didn't after last year, but hit sequencing is incredibly important and largely a factor of luck. It sucks that individuals don't have more control over it, but baseball is a weird ****ing game.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Yeah, the counter-argument then is since the double play still mattered in that situation, they still might throw, and the small chance that they throw and then get you out is still far too risky for the sake of 1 run. You usually don't get to indifference until 2 outs down late by a bunch.

and this still doesn't take into account there is a lefty on the mound making it that much more difficult to steal a base since you have to be worried about getting picked off

[ChiTown]

If the series has a game 5, it's got be Shields on a short leash - much shorter than even tonight, and Duffy at the ready, right?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow

Explain to me why not. I don't know shit about baseball. The only reason I am watching it now is because I am hoping the Chiefs get a fire lit under them.
But I was thinking, if your behind , you steal everything you can.

Because you might get caught.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

you can start it, too

I'm not doing it, I know how unlucky I am

I'll be at the game. That was a joke. Did you not catch the

/Mav?

[ChiefsCountry]

I'll do the game thread.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

LISTEN

IF WE STOLE 2ND THERE, AND I'M SURE THE GIANTS WOULD HAVE GIVEN NO ****S

WE WEREN'T ANY LESS LIKELY TO WIN.

IT WAS THE MOST MEANINGLESS THING TO DO. EVER.

AND I'M SURE WE'D SUCCESSFULLY STEAL THAT BASE 9 TIMES OUT OF 10. PERHAPS 9.5.

WHY?

BECAUSE BRUCE BOCHY, AND ANYONE WHO HAS EVER FOLLOWED BASEBALL, OR WATCHED BASEBALL, OR KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT BASEBALL...

KNOWS A VERY SIMPLE THING ABOUT BEING DOWN BY 6 RUNS IN THE 8TH INNING

STEALING BASES IS POINTLESS

STEALING 2ND BASE WASN'T SUDDENLY GOING TO TRIGGER AOKI TO GET A BASE HIT

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS EVEN BEING ARGUED RIGHT NOW

HAMAS, AL, LEW AND I HAVE ALL EXPLAINED IN DIFFERENT WAYS WHY IT MAKES NO SENSE...

THIS WHOLE "WE NEEDED A SPARK!" THING IS RIDICULOUS.

WELL THEN RAUL IBANEZ SHOULD'VE CHARGED THE MOUND AND TAKEN A CROBAR TO BUMGARNER'S ANKLE...THAT'S THE KIND OF SPARK THAT COULD'VE CHANGED MOMENTUM AROUND FOR THE SERIES. NOT STEALING 2ND BASE. DOWN 6. IN THE 8TH INNING. WITH 1 OUT.

I'll concede the argument. What's the point. Just think we should have taken the base that was most likely conceded anyway. Royals waived the white flag. No biggie. Streaks end.

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I'll do the game thread.

Al asked me last week to fill in.

I'm getting the table ready for it now.