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Old 09-04-2018, 12:49 PM  
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Old 09-04-2018, 11:14 PM   #226
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:43 AM   #227
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So Veach is either a stooge or clown.
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Old 09-05-2018, 07:30 AM   #229
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Always has especially since JD left.
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Old 09-05-2018, 07:51 AM   #230
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Lets see if I got this right. They gave a young guy, on his second team, who knows how to play all the OL positions in this offense a 3yr 6mil deal with incentives to go up to 15mil if all are reached. I like incentive -based. Gives them a reason to continue to improve. People work harder when it can improve their paycheck. I'm not ready to say that CI has plateaued out and will never improve anymore. The tools are there. The smarts are there if he learned all the OL spots. If he continues to improve it could be a bargain for what you get, if he doesn't then a couple mil a year doesn't amount to a fart in a tornado moneywise.
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:25 PM   #231
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Like I've said for many months. This is all Reid. Veach is very well respected around the league and no way can he not see that Erving is a complete "turnstile". And IF this IS Veach's call( which I highly doubt) his "football eyes" SUCK at evaluating o-linemen. Just look at the o-linemen we have brought in since Reid's tenure. Average at best. And supposedly AR is an o-lineman guru evaluator. Well this hasn't happened here at all with him and why I think this is a Reid move.
The contracts are Veach. You can make all the excuses you want, but it's the truth.
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Old 09-06-2018, 12:12 AM   #232
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Lets see if I got this right. They gave a young guy, on his second team, who knows how to play all the OL positions in this offense a 3yr 6mil deal with incentives to go up to 15mil if all are reached. I like incentive -based. Gives them a reason to continue to improve. People work harder when it can improve their paycheck. I'm not ready to say that CI has plateaued out and will never improve anymore. The tools are there. The smarts are there if he learned all the OL spots. If he continues to improve it could be a bargain for what you get, if he doesn't then a couple mil a year doesn't amount to a fart in a tornado moneywise.
No. They gave him a 2 year extension worth 10 million, which can reach 15.7 million with incentives. We don't know the structure of the guarantees of the 6.5 million, but IF it were all a signing bonus that is spread out over the 3 total years of his deal (this year + the 2 extension years), then it makes his deal, in total, about 3 years 12 million at just under 4 million per (about 3.93) that can escalate based on incentives.

My thought is that it is probably closer to half that as a signing bonus with a guaranteed salary next season. This would put his salary at 2.7, 4.5, and 4.5 with the all of this year and next year guaranteed (he already has 1.7 m guaranteed this season + 1 million of signing) and all of next year guaranteed (3.5 m salary + 1 million signing). It could be a guaranteed salary next year if he's on the roster at a certain date in the offseason, but who knows. I'm guessing the remaining 5.7 m in escalators is split among all 3 years of his total contract at 1.9 per.

It's all conjecture at this point, but this deal is not 3 years 6 million. If it were, I don't think half as many people would be bitching about it. It's still not a monster deal unless he performs well, but it's well beyond anything that he remotely deserves. He deserves to be cut. He sucks. He's a ****ing atrocious player. He doesn't deserve what he received. There's no projection anyone could conjure up to convince me he'd deserve this, unlike when LDT was re-signed. At least LDT flashed brilliance at times. All Erving flashes is hot dog shit.
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No. They gave him a 2 year extension worth 10 million, which can reach 15.7 million with incentives. We don't know the structure of the guarantees of the 6.5 million, but IF it were all a signing bonus that is spread out over the 3 total years of his deal (this year + the 2 extension years), then it makes his deal, in total, about 3 years 12 million at just under 4 million per (about 3.93) that can escalate based on incentives.

My thought is that it is probably closer to half that as a signing bonus with a guaranteed salary next season. This would put his salary at 2.7, 4.5, and 4.5 with the all of this year and next year guaranteed (he already has 1.7 m guaranteed this season + 1 million of signing) and all of next year guaranteed (3.5 m salary + 1 million signing). It could be a guaranteed salary next year if he's on the roster at a certain date in the offseason, but who knows. I'm guessing the remaining 5.7 m in escalators is split among all 3 years of his total contract at 1.9 per.

It's all conjecture at this point, but this deal is not 3 years 6 million. If it were, I don't think half as many people would be bitching about it. It's still not a monster deal unless he performs well, but it's well beyond anything that he remotely deserves. He deserves to be cut. He sucks. He's a ****ing atrocious player. He doesn't deserve what he received. There's no projection anyone could conjure up to convince me he'd deserve this, unlike when LDT was re-signed. At least LDT flashed brilliance at times. All Erving flashes is hot dog shit.
He wasn't bad this preseason (other than game 1 when no lineman showed up) and wasn't bad in the games he played last year.

When has he been "atrocious" for us?
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People are really upset about this? Really? It’s even backloaded to when the cap will grow by $20 million more too. This is not a lot of money at all and won’t affect our cap.

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People are really upset about this? Really? It’s even backloaded to when the cap will grow by $20 million more too. This is not a lot of money at all and won’t affect our cap.

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People are really upset about this? Really? It’s even backloaded to when the cap will grow by $20 million more too. This is not a lot of money at all and won’t affect our cap.

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A lot of money for an O-line that can't block worth a damn
You're clueless.

Chiefs spend about 19% of their total cap space on the oline, which is middle of the pack in the NFL.
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Here is the OL money you can make arguments about, Fisher makes a lot of money I think he's something like 8th for highest paid OT, sadly though that is what it is. Unless you wanted to use 1st round picks on OTs twice in 5 years.

Schwartz deal is really good no real conversation there, he's probably underpaid. LDT However you can argue that paying a guard that amount of money isn't wise when plenty of teams believe you can find guards later in drafts. Of course maybe this one doesn't since they've had a gaped asshole for LG for basically all of Reid's tenure.
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