Chiefs Your dream 1st/2nd round combo for next week's NFL Draft - Page 16

pugsnotdrugs19 · 06:46 PM

Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59.

For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock...

Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson
He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth.

Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State
Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL.

Your turn.

saphojunkie · 04-20-2016, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

There's a chance Apple drops to us.

It sucks that sexual orientation plays a role in things, but teams questioned if he's gay or not for a reason.

Good business often times is about finding where competitors have undervalued a commodity. If that's where the market value is, then draft the all-gay chiefs.

staylor26 · 04-20-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Since CB is a need for them as well we would probably have to get in front of them.

They likely aren't going corner in the 1st. Probably WR.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-20-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would try and trade up to #24 (Bengals) and grab Jackson III or Apple if either of them are there.

The Bengals and Steelers need corners but they also need WR's, too, but if Apple or WJIII are the Chiefs guy, they'll probably need to trade up to get him.

If they don't, it could mean that a WR like Doctson is there at #28 but I think that's rather unlikely, as someone would probably jump in at 26 or 27 to take him.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2016, 11:45 AM

1st round - CB William Jackson III
2nd round - WR Sterling Shepard

Or

1st - WR Josh Doctson
2nd - CB Artie Burns

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-20-2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

There's a chance Apple drops to us.

It sucks that sexual orientation plays a role in things, but teams questioned if he's gay or not for a reason.

Only one team, the Atlanta Falcons, asked him that question.

I think it had more to do with the LGBT Religious Law (which was vetoed by the Georgia Governor after pressure from the NFL, Disney and others) than his sexual orientation.

That said, I'd be shocked if the Chiefs lockerroom would have a problem with a gay player.

milkman · 04-20-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's because most people casually follow the draft and think "The more draft picks the better!", which is rarely the case.

Hell, I remember people advocating the Chiefs "Take a QB in each round of the draft! They'll find a Franchise guy for sure!", which is unbelievably naive and ridiculous.

The bottom line is, which can be proven time and time again, that teams that trade up to get their player have more success than the teams on the receiving end of all of those picks.

The Chiefs are projected to receive as many as four comp picks next year, from rounds 3-7. If their guy is sitting at 24, I'd have absolutely no problem throwing in a 3rd rounder next year in order to get their guy, whether it's Apple or WJIII or whomever.

Go get the talent.

The Patriots have done pretty well trading down.

KevB · 04-20-2016, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You don't think sheppard can play outside?

I just hate the process that pushes good football players down because they don't test well in shorts. Sheppard gets open and makes catches. He doesn't have will fuller speed, but if said speed makes fuller a first and sheppard a 2nd, seems bassackwards

Tyler Lockett was every bit the receiver Shepard is (which is to say, very good), had better speed and was an elite returner. Yet he fell to the 3rd round for some damn reason. Shepard gets dinged for the same attributes, but barring injury, I'd be very surprised if he isn't a productive NFL receiver.

**The Franchise** · 04-20-2016, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The Patriots have done pretty well trading down.

What legit starters have they grabbed from trading out of the 1st?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-20-2016, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The Patriots have done pretty well trading down.

Their draft history is pretty mixed, if not below average.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../nwe/draft.htm

It would require some research time but can you honestly say that their picks turned out better than if they had stayed put?

milkman · 04-20-2016, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What legit starters have they grabbed from trading out of the 1st?

I am not going to research every trade.

They trade down every year.

ct · 04-20-2016, 12:30 PM

28 - OLB Leonard Floyd or CB William Jackson III

59 - WR Sterling Shepard

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I also think CB will be a 2nd or 4th rd pick due to not only the faith they seem to have in Gaines and Nelson, but Parker playing well at CB and Jimmy Wilson previously playing well in the slot.
I would ****ing love it if we took Kalan Reed rd 2. Sending our DB coaches to his pro day was very telling.

5'11 1/4 ft 192 lbs
4.38 40
41.5 inch vertical-tied best at the combine
11 bench reps

Dude shut out Amari Cooper and played him alone. 19 passes defended and 4 INT's vs the same competition Gaines faced at Rice.
**** it. Give me Vernon Butler and Kalan Reed in the first 2 rds and watch this defense kick some ass.

Would be quite happy with this as well!!

ct · 04-20-2016, 01:16 PM

btw, we know dorsey loves to snag some sr bowl gems. the two names i heard most around the sr bowl, vernon butler and sterling shepard

ct · 04-20-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

If we don't go corner in the 1st, I think we take him in the 2nd.

if we move down and recoup a 3rd or another 4th, we can wait and grab him then, bet he's still there

**the Talking Can** · 04-20-2016, 02:04 PM

you're not drafting butler to replace poe...he allows you to let howard walk in two years (we will have gotten his best years, let some else throw money at him at that point) (and for 2 years our DL could be insane)

imagine being able to flip poe/butler at nt/de snap to snap..

1. very unlikely he will be there at 28
2. very likely dorsey would draft him if he were, imo

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-20-2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I am not going to research every trade.

They trade down every year.

And they get less talented players, so it doesn't make much sense.

04-19-2016, 06:40 PM
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $8729447	Your dream 1st/2nd round combo for next week's NFL Draft Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59. For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock... Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth. Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL. Your turn. Last edited by pugsnotdrugs19; 04-19-2016 at 06:46 PM..
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