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Old 11-13-2013, 05:25 PM  
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How similiar of QBs are Alex Smith and Russell Wilson?
Since everyone here loves Wilson so much.....

Admittedly Russell throws a better deep ball, but IMO they are fairly similar. Not flashy, don't throw for a ton of yards, use their feet to move the chains, protect the football and play smart.


Discuss....


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Old 01-19-2015, 01:03 PM   #226
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they have nothing in common


it's embarrassing to even pretend they do...repeat: Alex Smith has nothing in common with the QB going to his second straight superbowl in the 3rd year of his career

Alex Smith is a nobody...a mid-level nobody whose spent more years being a bust than he has years being a mid-level nobody

Chiefs fans and QBs will never not be painful to watch
Stop being so mean. Alex is a nice guy.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:03 PM   #227
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The presence of a great defense does not preclude the mediocrity of the QB.

I don't know of a single QB who won a Super Bowl with a subpar defense. Kurt Warner needed his underrated Rams defense. Drew Brees needed his bounty legally aggressive defense.

A team like the 1998 Vikings got close, but no cigar. You will always necessarily need at least a competent defense to get it done, and more often than not your defense needs to be pretty good.

Russell Wilson isn't exactly Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. I never saw Dilfer and Johnson make the plays that Wilson has made in his young career.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:05 PM   #228
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If Wilson elevates his play when it matters and constantly comes through in the clutch he's not a game manager.
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I couldn't disagree more.

Both are game managers.

The biggest difference is clutch play.

Wilson makes the throws. All of them. He's sick-reerun-g00d as the pressure mounts.

Smith $#its his pants.

Not all (Smith's) fault but he elevates NO ONE.

Wilson ELEVATES HIS GAME when it matters....
stop it

they have nothing in common, they are different SPECIES


life long 'game managers' (and boy is that a generous word) don't go to superbowls...QBs that take their teams to superbowls, especially 2 in the first 3 years, are fundamentally different people

stats mean nothing...literally god damn nothing

Brady and Wilson you can discuss

Smith does not get discussed
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If Wilson elevates his play when it matters and constantly comes through in the clutch he's not a game manager.
or this

thank you for the short version
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This is like arguing that Tim Duncan and Amar'e Stoudemire are the same player b/c their PPG are similar and they play the same position.
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people do realize that a lot of Marshawn Lynch's success comes because of Russell Wilson, right?

how are people not understanding this?
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life long 'game managers' (and boy is that a generous word) don't go to superbowls...QBs that take their teams to superbowls, especially 2 in the first 3 years, are fundamentally different people
I don't know about "life long" but Brady, Ruthlessrapist, and Wilson were all game managers their first SB win.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:12 PM   #234
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How similiar of QBs are Alex Smith and Russell Wilson?
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He's not the reason they are where they are. Yes he's a good QB, but that team runs behind the defense and running game.



Running game sets up Wilson

Wilson added damn near 1,000 rushing yards himself.

HE is just as much a reason as Lynch that their run game is so strong.

Marshawn Lynch averages something like 4.2 YPC. That's basically league average.

Wilson makes great reads in the read option and the threat of him taking off for a big gain keeps linemen and backers from crashing down on the line, allowing for much larger lanes for Lynch to run through.
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I don't know the answer to this question, which is why I'm asking.

How often does Russell Wilson talk about his #1 goal being taking care of the football and eliminating bad plays?

Because that's Alex's mantra. He embraces it. He talks openly about it. He says stuff like, "The WRs with no TDs thing isn't a concern to me as long as we keep winning." His coaches talk about it. They praise him for it. That IS Alex Smith. And that's game manager talk.

Does Russell Wilson embrace that language in his press conferences? Does he talk about making plays? Yes, both Alex and Russell talk about precision and execution a lot, but that's a part of every QB's talk. I mean does Russell Wilson speak more about his job being leading doing what he needs to do when it needs to happne, or does he synthesize it down to "take care of the football... make sure every drive ends in a kick of some type"

Because Smith makes "game manager" an identity that he embraces. He's out of the closet about it, and he's proud of it. He champions it. What does Wilson do? If his attitude is completely different, then that's a striking clue that could point to the reason why Wilson REALLY "just wins" while Alex only gets to rest comfortably with his "almost happened" last year against Indy and the Saints game back when he was a 49er
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Wilson added damn near 1,000 rushing yards himself.

HE is just as much a reason as Lynch that their run game is so strong.

Marshawn Lynch averages something like 4.2 YPC. That's basically league average.

Wilson makes great reads in the read option and the threat of him taking off for a big gain keeps linemen and backers from crashing down on the line, allowing for much larger lanes for Lynch to run through.
You don't think that OL or Lynch made the difference? Did you not see GB gang tackling Lynch? Did you not see Wilson have a lane so big a truck could drive through it when he did the read option fake to Lynch?

Did you not see max unger, james carpenter and Russell Okung up up a massive hole for Lynch on the TD run?
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I like how people post stats and then try and conclude that is why Russell Wilson is a game manager

he does everything well

he also does a few things very elite

he's the very definition of an elite, franchise QB

yet he's Alex Smith on ChiefsPlanet
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Lynch is exceptionally tenacious and tough to take down but the overall production speaks for itself. On a team with a QB that rushed for almost 1,000 yards himself at 7 YPC, he only managed to 4.7 a pop.

Meanwhile, CP is pining for him while our RB has NEVER finished a full season with less than 5.0.
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Russell runs the read option better than anyone ... he makes the right read 95% of the time time. That's a big deal.

Do you remember how many yards per carry Warrick Dunn and T.J. Duckett used to average for the Falcons when Vick was QB?

Are people really this naive?

Lynch is a good player. This board has vastly overrated him.

(I will admit, I was very impressed with him yesterday, though. More so than I have ever been)
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this website spends entire offseasons / seasons complaining that you can't win in the NFL without an elite QB

Russell goes to two straight Super Bowls.

He's not elite.

He's the 8th best player on his own team.

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