Chiefs Cassel Vs Sanchez - Page 16

Titty Meat · 08-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Also known as the Chiefsplanet Civil War. I made this thread not to talk smack but to compare how each player plays. Sanchez looked great tonight despite missing half of the Jets O-line.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If they're top 5 I'd think they're on the borderline.

If they're top 5, it shows that most teams are very average when it comes to the draft.

Frankly, if they don't strike gold with Brady, which is HUGE, the entire perception of the Pats as this miraculously great drafting organization wouldn't exist.

Titty Meat · 08-15-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Of course they have drafted some good players...and so have the Chiefs. On the whole, NE has been better, but not unbelievably so. The Chiefs have been rather pathetic, whereas NE has been rather average. Both have years where they've been a complete train wreck in the draft.

The single biggest difference between the two organizations is that one hit the mega jackpot one year.

Meh I think the Patriots draft was more then they just hit a mega jackpot. They won a super bowl with a WR playing CB. And they won 11 games last year with a Qb who hadn't played in 7 years. Anyway what Mecca was orginally saying is the difference is teams like San Diego & Indy build through the draft and don't really sign players where as New England does.

Mecca · 08-15-2009, 10:07 PM

San Diego and Indy have hardly any FA's at all, I think Indy has 3 guys on their roster that have played for other teams it's some ridiculous number like that.

Personally I think the Giants are the model I would follow in todays league, I really like how they do things.

Titty Meat · 08-15-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

San Diego and Indy have hardly any FA's at all, I think Indy has 3 guys on their roster that have played for other teams it's some ridiculous number like that.

Personally I think the Giants are the model I would follow in todays league, I really like how they do things.

Building like Indy would take this team years. Though I will say Tyson Jackson looked good yes it's only pre-season but he's overlooked by fans.

Just Passin' By · 08-15-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If they're top 5, it shows that most teams are very average when it comes to the draft.

Frankly, if they don't strike gold with Brady, which is HUGE, the entire perception of the Pats as this miraculously great drafting organization wouldn't exist.

2006 draft:

When Maroney's been healthy, he's been a good back.
Jackson blew out his ACL during his rookie season and is trying to make the Broncos.
Dave Thomas is still on the team, although he's fighting for a job and could end up with the Chiefs.
Mills was expected to be a project when he was drafted, was snagged by the Vikings when Belichick tried to slip him onto the practice squad, is in Minnesota, and he started getting playing time last season.
Gostkowski is an All-Pro kicker.
O'Callaghan was challenging Kaczur for the right tackle position, but concussion problems and other injuries have hampered his career, and he's likely to be a backup for the rest of it.
Mincey busted out of the first camp. He is now on the Jaguars
Stevenson went to Houston, where he was injured, made a public stink about it, got cut, and is probably physically unable to play in the NFL now.
Smith gets rotation snaps as a backup on the Patriots D-line.
Andrews was a top special teams player until he got arrested and the Patriots cut him.

Is it a "great" draft? No. But, considering the injury factor, it's nowhere near 'abysmal', either.

As for 2007, Richardson is also still on the team, although he may well not make the cut this season, and the team did not have a second (Welker, with a 7th thrown in) or third round pick, and also lost a fourth (for Moss) as well.

Meriweather, Welker, Moss, Richardson.... that's a pretty successful draft, I'd say.

Also, Brown (is currently on the Jets, trying to convert to tight end. Oldenburg in in Broncos camp, Hairston was in Bills camp before suffering an injury, Hilliard's in Colts camp

2005

Mankins, Hobbs, Kaczur, Sanders, Cassel

2004

Wilfork, Watson, Hill (2nd rounder, drowned)

2003

Warren, Wilson, Samuel, Koppen (Banta-Cain just re-signed with the team)

2002

Graham, Branch, Greene, Givens

2001

Seymour, Light

That's quite a bit better than average.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

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OTW posted the complete list earlier in the thread. And, yes, it looks pretty average.

They drafted a few guys who could play. Yeah? Only in KC would we consider this well above average.

Brady is who tips the scales. And all involved admit that this was a very lucky turn of events.

What the Pats have done an excellent job of doing is using the draft AND free agency. That's where they've excelled. In this respect, they are a complete franchise.

Just Passin' By · 08-15-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

OTW posted the complete list earlier in the thread. And, yes, it looks pretty average.

They drafted a few guys who could play. Yeah? Only in KC would we consider this well above average.

Brady is who tips the scales. And all involved admit that this was a very lucky turn of events.

What the Pats have done an excellent job of doing is using the draft AND free agency. That's where they've excelled. In this respect, they are a complete franchise.

Name another "average" drafting team, then name a great one. As for luck, it's always lucky when a player pans out. People who try downplaying what New England has done overplay the 'lucky' angle. Hell, I didn't even count the Brady draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-15-2009, 10:51 PM

The Patriots.

The Patriots.

The Patriots.

Jesus ****ing Christ I'm tired of seeing and hearing that word.

Just Passin' By · 08-15-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

The Patriots.

The Patriots.

The Patriots.

Jesus ****ing Christ I'm tired of seeing and hearing that word.

You might want to avoid the transaction wire as the camps wind down and cut days come, then. The Patriots are stacked at some positions and will be cutting some NFL quality players that teams like the Chiefs will likely try to grab.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Name another "average" drafting team, then name a great one. As for luck, it's always lucky when a player pans out. People who try downplaying what New England has done overplay the 'lucky' angle. Hell, I didn't even count the Brady draft.

I don't have time to look up the complete draft history of various teams right now, but off the top of my head, here are the teams I would rank above NE:

Baltimore
San Diego
Indy
Giants
Pitt.

After this, probably NE. Then, you get into the rest. And then you get into the teams that ****ing suck at the draft.

ArrowheadMagic · 08-15-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't have time to look up the complete draft history of various teams right now, but off the top of my head, here are the teams I would rank above NE:

Baltimore
San Diego
Indy
Giants
Pitt.

After this, probably NE. Then, you get into the rest. And then you get into the teams that ****ing suck at the draft.

How many of those teams have more championships? Where does NE rank then?

**Buehler445** · 08-15-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

How many of those teams have more championships? Where does NE rank then?

Meh, tough conversation to get into.

I think there are teams that draft better than the Pats, but I also think the Pats are head and shoulders above the rest in Free Agency.

In terms of overall talent evaluation, they are most definitely top 5, probably 1 or 2.

I think you don't include coaching in there, because BB is their engine, not just using the parts they have.

Just Passin' By · 08-15-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't have time to look up the complete draft history of various teams right now, but off the top of my head, here are the teams I would rank above NE:

Baltimore
San Diego
Indy
Giants
Pitt.

After this, probably NE. Then, you get into the rest. And then you get into the teams that ****ing suck at the draft.

In no particular order, I look at San Diego, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and the Patriots as the four best drafting teams in the NFL. However, given that you're ranking the Patriots 6th (which is well above average) when I said top 5, we really don't have any reason to continue this on any serious level.

However, if you think that the Giants and Ravens draft better than New England, you really need to take a look at their draft boards.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

How many of those teams have more championships? Where does NE rank then?

Did you miss my point about the Pats excelling at using the draft AND FA?

That's why they were a dynasty. They weren't the best drafting team. Far from it. What they were was the best organization.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

In no particular order, I look at San Diego, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and the Patriots as the four best drafting teams in the NFL. However, given that you're ranking the Patriots 6th (which is well above average) when I said top 5, we really don't have any reason to continue this on any serious level.

However, if you think that the Giants and Ravens draft better than New England, you really need to take a look at their draft boards.

I put the Pats in a large group with a Brady asterisk. Aside from him, lots of teams have a comparable number of hits.

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