Robin Williams Dead

[Silock]

RIP

[Donger]

That's a shame.

[SeeingRed]

RIP to an amazing artist and talent

['Hamas' Jenkins]

He always annoyed me, but he was a gifted actor. The lack of empathy and understanding for bipolar and depression is pretty messed up.

[Tribal Warfare]

The dance instruction was all improved

[keg in kc]

According to the ME, apparently hung himself from a closet door using a belt. May have slashed one of his wrists, as well.

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by Pennywise

at :40 second mark.

"After all those scotches I had to piss like a race horse."

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So if you suffer from depression it's ok to kill yourself because you feel like there's no other option?...

I don't think he was saying it's okay to kill yourself, but rather that depression can sometimes prevent a person's mind from working in any rational, understandable way. It's funny, but sometimes suicide is almost romanticized, like it's the desperate choice of someone who just couldn't take it any more, some calculated decision to end their own suffering or put themselves out of their misery. I think it's probably more impulsive than that at least some of the time, even for people who leave notes, a completely senseless or thoughtless act by someone with a diseased mind

Then again I don't know for sure. I'm very familiar with depression... But I've never had suicidal tendencies.

[Carlota69]

I havent read this entire thread, but I would like to chime in.

The news hit me hard yesterday too, and it surprised me that I took it so hard. I mean, he was a movie star, that I met for a whole 10 seconds once, Why am I so sad? Yes, i grew up with him, his stand up and his great movies. So many classics. But so what. Why is this hitting me so hard?

Then I realized it was reminding me of my best friend of over 30 years, who died less than a year ago. He was also vibrant, loud, funny, gregarious an incredibly beautiful soul that so many people loved. Yet, he couldnt give to himself what he gave to others, love, laughter and light. He gave all of that away, and kept the darkness for himself. It killed him. He didnt hang himself, but he drank himself to death and even shot up dog narcotics the moring before he went into liver, kidney failure into cardiac arrest and then he went brain dead. He was bipolar trying to self medicate thru alcohol or yoga (when he was sober). He was too tough to seek real help, although 2 weeks before he passed he finally admitted to me that he was in a deep depression and asked for me to keep in touch with him often, like daily. The last text I recieved from him was a video and a text saying "that deserves a fist bump and **** yeah". The video was Simple Minds 'Alive and Kicking".

There is no "toughening up" when it comes to this disease, and thats what it is an illness. Its not selfish. I personally think people who say that are the ones being selfish, not taking a moment to understand the sickness. Its far from selfish. It's just sad and it sucks really ****ing bad. Im still devastated from the loss of my soul mate, and I feel for RW family.

RIP IN Peace being the most important part.

[lcarus]

He must have really been depressed. Think about it. He's super rich and famous. Everyone loves and respects you. He had probably exhausted every option to battle his depression for decades and still felt like his only option was suicide. THAT is ****in depression man.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't think he was saying it's okay to kill yourself, but rather that depression can sometimes prevent a person's mind from working in any rational, understandable way. It's funny, but sometimes suicide is almost romanticized, like it's the desperate choice of someone who just couldn't take it any more, some calculated decision to end their own suffering or put themselves out of their misery. I think it's probably more impulsive than that at least some of the time, even for people who leave notes, a completely senseless or thoughtless act by someone with a diseased mind

Then again I don't know for sure. I'm very familiar with depression... But I've never had suicidal tendencies.

I fully understand that.

I understand that the constant pain and suffering leads many people to convince themselves everyone will be better off, which isn't true. It's you slowly justifying your actions because you're tired of suffering.

Just because you love someone that does something very wrong doesn't make it less wrong. It doesn't mean you love them less. And it's a horrible situation to stick a family member in...

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I understand that the constant pain and suffering leads many people to convince themselves everyone will be better off, which isn't true. It's you slowly justifying your actions because you're tired of suffering.

You're still thinking about this like a rational person. This is clinical/major depression we're talking about here, not just somebody having a bad day, feeling down and deciding they can't take it anymore.

Basically you're trying to make sense out of something that just doesn't make sense. Somebody who commits suicide because of this kind of depression doesn't think like you think. They can't think like you, unless they're being treated. And sometimes not even then.

This is actually one of the bigger issues in the country right now. Mental health, that is. Some of it isn't stuff you can just tough guy your way though.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by lcarus

He must have really been depressed. Think about it. He's super rich and famous. Everyone loves and respects you. He had probably exhausted every option to battle his depression for decades and still felt like his only option was suicide. THAT is ****in depression man.

Robin had cocaine addiction and alcoholism issues he has dealt with in his life through the years.

[Raiderhater]

My comments last night about suicide and cowardice was not a POV I had planned on discussing. But the subject got brought up and I went with it. And I would like to make it known that my belief is not something coming from hate or anger or any other such emotion. It is not my intention to be disrespectful or even judge mental. Suicide is a very serious issue. It is a very sad issue. But I do not believe we do ourselves or anyone else any favors by just glossing over it. Discussion of any topic is a very important tool in learning and educating.

Out side of people who are extremely advanced cases, those who suffer from these mental diseases go through periods of clarity. They realize something is not right with themselves. Hopefully they seek help and figure out the issue so they can take steps to deal with it. And if they do go to that extent then there will always be that truth in the back of their mind that what they are thinking and feeling is not true but rather, made up thoughts and emotions caused by a disease. So long as you have that truth you cannot simply plead innocence for any detrimental actions you take due to being sick. I have personally witnessed the decision to go head first into a downward spiral. I have also personally witnessed the decision to pull out of a life destroying nose dive and fight for a better and more normal life.

The notion that we should not call an action what it is because people are suffering from a mental disease so that makes it different is just ass backwards. You honestly expect me to believe that we should allow the standard of what is and what is not be set by thoughts derived from a diseased mind? Rosanne Barr's mind could tell her that she is a super model but, that doesn't make it true. Some one suffering from depression or bipolar or what have you, can tell themselves they are doing themselves and everyone else a favor but, that doesn't mean they actually are. When you know there are steps you can take to have a better and normal life and choose not to take them, your actions are selfish and cowardly. Again, I'm not trying to be mean, that is just the reality of it that some of you are not wanting to face for some reason.

[Katipan]

Because they think selfish is a curse word as opposed to an inherent human trait.

My psycho killed himself with my babies in the next room. So happy for his peace and pain free afterlife. Still get to hold my crying daughter.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by lcarus

He must have really been depressed. Think about it. He's super rich and famous. Everyone loves and respects you. He had probably exhausted every option to battle his depression for decades and still felt like his only option was suicide. THAT is ****in depression man.

He was an alcoholic. He had admitted himself into the Hazelden Addiction Treatment Center mid this year for continued treatment. Married only to his new wife three years. ( a graphic designer)

IMO alcoholics drink to suppress some pain.