2014-2015 NBA Regular Season Thread Part II

[Pitt Gorilla]

Now with more Rustshack!

[RustShack]

Re: Kevin Love?
In Response to Re: Kevin Love?:

Sooooooo.... Apparently Wiggins wants to be traded to Minny:
"When all this trade stuff started, I talked to Andrew and Andrew told me, 'I hope I get traded.' And I'm like, 'No you don't.' And he said, 'Coach, I do. It's better for me, knowing my personality and what I need to do, to go somewhere where I'm forced to be something as opposed to going in there where they're going to be patient with me and I'm going to be a piece.'"
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...e-lebron-james

Posted by GOCAVS4EVER!!!
Add on to yours..

Bill Self believes the pending move from the Cleveland Cavaliers to the Minnesota Timberwolves will be best for Andrew Wiggins.

“I know Andrew,” Self said, “and this is the type of thing that really motivates him, the fact that someone else -- even though it’s a business -- didn’t want him as badly as they should have.’’

“That’s the way he sees it. He’s happy. Don’t anybody feel sorry for him. I’m not saying he hasn’t been in limbo and that it hasn’t, at times, been frustrating. But he told me, ‘Coach, I’m good with this.’ He told me that two weeks ago.’’

Self coached Wiggins for his lone season at Kansas.

The Timberwolves will allow Wiggins to be the main cog instead of a role player on the contending Cavaliers.

“I would love to be at that first game they play against Cleveland,” Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend said. “He’s going to put on a show.’’

Yes, I copied that from a Cavs forum. Figured the Kansas and/or Timberwolves fans would like it.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by RustShack

I mean I understand he has some diva qualities, but he's not a cancer. Great players call out teammates when they are losing. He wants to win and like anyone, and won't be a problem when they are winning.

Actually sounds just like DeAndre Kane. Same stuff said about him then he's a saint when he's in a positive culture and winning. Even gave a hobo the Jordan's off his feet.

Problem is, Waiters isn't even a good player, let alone a great one, so him calling anyone out when he's a no-defense playing chucker is laughable.

[-King-]

Skinny Melo

[Mav]

Originally Posted by -King-

Skinny Melo

Damn. Good for him.

[ChiefsCountry]

LeBron returns to Miami on Christmas Day.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Yes, I copied that from a Cavs forum. Figured the Kansas and/or Timberwolves fans would like it.

You were insistent that the Cavs should keep Wiggins. Please stop with this. Staying with the Cavs was by far the best thing for Wiggins. But this is a business so no reason the Cavs should care. It will remain to be seen if the Cavs end up with the better part of the deal. I'm just not a big fan of the trade.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You were insistent that the Cavs should keep Wiggins. Please stop with this. Staying with the Cavs was by far the best thing for Wiggins. But this is a business so no reason the Cavs should care. It will remain to be seen if the Cavs end up with the better part of the deal. I'm just not a big fan of the trade.

And that's logical based on what the cavs gave up. I however was struck by something that LeBron mentioned.

Basketball iq.

[saphojunkie]

I maintain that landing Love without giving up Wiggins was possible. Getting Love was guaranteed by giving up Wiggins, and the Cavs didn't want to risk it.

But I do not know what situation was better for Wiggins, I really don't. On the one hand, he could learn under Lebron. But learn what? How to be the fourth option?

Kobe didn't learn under anyone.

Lebron didn't learn under anyone.

KD didn't learn under anyone.

I mean, yes, they all had veterans on their team but it's not like there was a superstar there ready to mentor them. They were given superstar roles and grew into them. Perhaps that's exactly what Wiggins needs. perhaps he'll never be the man and was better suited to stay in Cleveland where he's third or fourth fiddle.

But we'll never know for sure.

It sure makes it more interesting, though. Now Minnesota and Cleveland and Utah and Milwaukee have to be monitored. Throw in that Kobe is back in LA and Rose is HARDCORE back in Chicago, and the entire NBA landscape is changed.

Miami, Indiana, Atlanta - all playoff teams that could easily drop out of relevance this year.

And before anyone says Kobe learned under Shaq, I'll preempt by saying Kobe arrived a superstar. He exploded onto the scene as a rookie.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I maintain that landing Love without giving up Wiggins was possible. Getting Love was guaranteed by giving up Wiggins, and the Cavs didn't want to risk it.

But I do not know what situation was better for Wiggins, I really don't. On the one hand, he could learn under Lebron. But learn what? How to be the fourth option?

Kobe didn't learn under anyone.

Lebron didn't learn under anyone.

KD didn't learn under anyone.

I mean, yes, they all had veterans on their team but it's not like there was a superstar there ready to mentor them. They were given superstar roles and grew into them. Perhaps that's exactly what Wiggins needs. perhaps he'll never be the man and was better suited to stay in Cleveland where he's third or fourth fiddle.

But we'll never know for sure.

It sure makes it more interesting, though. Now Minnesota and Cleveland and Utah and Milwaukee have to be monitored. Throw in that Kobe is back in LA and Rose is HARDCORE back in Chicago, and the entire NBA landscape is changed.

Miami, Indiana, Atlanta - all playoff teams that could easily drop out of relevance this year.

And before anyone says Kobe learned under Shaq, I'll preempt by saying Kobe arrived a superstar. He exploded onto the scene as a rookie.

Wiggins isn't ready to be a superstar. He comes in with a far sharper learning curve than most of those guys. I think he will be a lock down defender right away, but on offense, he has to learn a left handed dribble. He needs to become more aggressive and has a lot of learning even in terms of ball movement. His shot needs work.

The Cavs' situation was absolutely perfect for him. His role would be to pick and pop, stay out of the spotlight, and mostly be a support player as he learned the game. He would have been an able passer which is perfect, since the Cavs have 2 selfish players in Waiters and Kyrie and a guy in LeBron who should always be touching the ball. And while his teammates were grinding it on offense, he could devote all his energy to locking down his defender. Not to mention that Wiggins' brand would have grown playing next to LeBron.

He is literally getting thrown to the Wolves. He has a tremendous expectation to be a superstar now and he needs a lot of time before that happens.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

And that's logical based on what the cavs gave up. I however was struck by something that LeBron mentioned.

Basketball iq.

LeBron has unbelievable basketball IQ. So did Jordan. Jordan is not a good talent evaluator, and LBJ is suspect too. For as much shit as Gilbert gets for the Lebron's first Cavs team, much of that team were Lebron's guys. I sure hope it works out but I'm not as convinced as most that Lebron should have as much personnel say as he does. I still think the Heat won moreso because of how ridiculously good Lebron and Wade were moreso than because of any of the surrounding personnel.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Wiggins isn't ready to be a superstar. He comes in with a far sharper learning curve than most of those guys. I think he will be a lock down defender right away, but on offense, he has to learn a left handed dribble. He needs to become more aggressive and has a lot of learning even in terms of ball movement. His shot needs work.



The Cavs' situation was absolutely perfect for him. His role would be to pick and pop, stay out of the spotlight, and mostly be a support player as he learned the game. He would have been an able passer which is perfect, since the Cavs have 2 selfish players in Waiters and Kyrie and a guy in LeBron who should always be touching the ball. And while his teammates were grinding it on offense, he could devote all his energy to locking down his defender. Not to mention that Wiggins' brand would have grown playing next to LeBron.



He is literally getting thrown to the Wolves. He has a tremendous expectation to be a superstar now and he needs a lot of time before that happens.

Nobody's expecting the wolves to challenge for shit. Wiggins will be fine

[GoChargers]

The Clippers sale went through today, bringing a close to one of the ugliest chapters in NBA history.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

And before anyone says Kobe learned under Shaq, I'll preempt by saying Kobe arrived a superstar. He exploded onto the scene as a rookie.

Huh? No he didn't, he averaged a meager 7 points per game on 41% shooting and rode the bench behind Eddie Jones and Byron Scott. It wasn't until his second season that he started getting more playing time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Nobody's expecting the wolves to challenge for shit. Wiggins will be fine

I like Wiggins as a player. I think he will be okay. But I completely disagree that the Wolves not being competitive will take the pressure off.

You've been on chiefsplanet long enough to know that not all people are going to treat him fairly. How long did it take everyone to call Bennett a flat out bust?

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You were insistent that the Cavs should keep Wiggins. Please stop with this. Staying with the Cavs was by far the best thing for Wiggins. But this is a business so no reason the Cavs should care. It will remain to be seen if the Cavs end up with the better part of the deal. I'm just not a big fan of the trade.

Stop with what? I still think they should have kept him, where did I say I changed my mind?