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David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes"
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.
The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday. I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback. Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1). Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season. September: 92.0 October: 111.1 November: 63.5 Dec.-Jan.: 68.8 The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses. I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses. It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs |
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He most likely wont win in the playoffs though.
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Thielen, Diggs and Rudolph are pretty good non-RB receiving threats too.
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Thielen and Diggs is probably the best WR duo going right now
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It was two blocked FG attempts from two consecutive AFC West titles being quarterbacked by Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton. The latter half of that repeat had no Charles, no Berry and Dwayne Bowe as the top receiver. Oh and this was almost done with Todd ****ing Haley as the head coach. Back to back titles is something Smith has never done at any point in his career and a bullpen of also-ran hack QBs almost pulled it off with two HCs whom had been promoted over their competence levels. "But Smitty turned around a 2-14 team" is just about the laziest, dumbest and dishonest narrative to ever be discussed in any sports context.
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The 2-14 team also had 6 pro bowlers, which is unheard of for most good teams let alone bad ones..
That season was a complete anomaly and a we were lucky to have it because it gave us a new regime that has created a winning culture. |
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How much do you want to bet that the O-line will REALLY "turn it around" once Mahomes is the starter? How much do you want to bet that the TE's and WR's will REALLY "step it up" once Mahomes is the starter? How much do you want to bet the the Defense will REALLY "get back on track and start making the turnovers happen again" once Mahomes is the starter? Quote:
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"They just didn't have enough bodies on the QB roster"!!! Every time I think that you could not demonstrate the act of being a fool to any greater a degree, you just turn right around and send that ante right on up to the Throne of God. They traded firsts and moved up higher in position than I've EVER seen this franchise do in ALL THE YEARS that I have followed their drafts TO GET MAHOMES YOU IDIOT. God almighty...
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Been holding out all year on Mahomes, wanting him to sit and develop a great foundation for success
But at this point, I would be willing to concede the point, seems like there is no question that Pat would spark this entire team... from the O line and receivers, to the defense getting feisty again The flaws in his fundamentals can be worked on during camp and preseason, I am completely ready to see him start making more of those 'The Last Airbender' throws like we witnessed this preseason |
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Give him the last 5 games plus playoffs to get in game experience on top of the 12 weeks he has sat, and you get the best of both worlds. We have a team and coaches around him that shouldn't put him in situations to fail. He is set up nicely. |
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I am probably the last guy to call for the QB's head but I agree Let's get Mahomes in there now. Let's put him in and take our lumps regardless of what happens. Tired of these teams all my life that are just good enough to be a sacrificial lamb in the playoffs.
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Guys like Luck, Prescott, and Wentz stepped right in as starters and excelled, and while Mahomes was ostensibly a more raw product coming out... I have faith that Reid could custom tailor things around him to minimize that for the rest of this year |
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