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**DaneMcCloud** · 11-06-2015, 10:49 AM

Whoa. Not only is the trailer awesome but there is something of meaning beginning 49 seconds. I just don't know what it means.

"I will fulfill our destiny. I will finish", is Kylo Ren's voice.

"What you started" is not.

It's Luke Skywalker's voice.

KC_Lee · 11-06-2015, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Just watched the Japanese trailer. The tone of this has me more excited than anything. It just seems darker and more epic than the prequels. Maybe that's just my hopes and the trailer could be deceptive, but... I'm stoked.

Here's said trailer.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 11-06-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whoa. Not only is the trailer awesome but there is something of meaning beginning 49 seconds. I just don't know what it means.

"I will fulfill our destiny. I will finish", is Kylo Ren's voice.

"What you started" is not.

It's Luke Skywalker's voice.

Just played it over and over. Sounds like the same voice to me.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-06-2015, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Just played it over and over. Sounds like the same voice to me.

It's really, really subtle. I couldn't hear it on my iPad but hear in my studio.

There's no modulation on "What you started" and it sounds like Mark Hamill's voice to me.

Maybe I'm just hearing things?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-06-2015, 12:07 PM

http://time.com/4102942/star-wars-tr...e-translation/

This is somewhat interesting from Time Magazine

The translations are more telling than you might think.

Japanese is a language with layers of formality that make it almost impossible to communicate without signaling the relative social positions of two people. (By the same token, it’s much more comfortable leaving out parts of the sentence English speakers would find crucial, so between the voiceover and the captions, we know more than we would from just one.)

TIME went over the captions with some native speakers and friends who teach Japanese (plus our shaky, decades-old memories of studying it in high school.) Here’s what we learned.

• Rey is in trouble in the beginning. The voice that asks “Who are you?” uses a very arrogant tone, asking “Omae wa nani mono da” instead of the traditional “onamae wa nan desuka.” Although it’s a woman’s voice, the choice of words would be more traditionally masculine in Japanese. This likely is a signal that the person talking to Rey is an authority figure, probably an Imperial leader of some sort.

• Rey is not very rebellious. Just as the question was asked in a masculine way, Rey’s response (“I’m not anything.”) is very feminine. That could be a cultural thing—Japanese translators often add sexism where none exists in the English version—or it could be a way of signaling that she is being very deferential. At any rate, this is not a Leia-like figure standing up to the Empire, but someone beaten down by it.

• Japanese is frustratingly vague sometimes. The brief title card says simply “Wake up.” That could be a reference to Rey or it could be talking about the Force. It could alternately be read as “She shall awaken” or “It awakens.” As we said before, Japanese often leaves out things English speakers find a bit, shall we say, necessary to understanding the full meaning. But it’s likely a double-meaning, that the Force is awakening, as is Rey’s knowledge of her own power.

• There’s a lot of subtext about family. When Kylo Ren addresses Vader’s helmet, the Japanese translation says “I am the one to inherit your legacy.” The next title card uses the passive construction of the same verb to say “A new generation is inheriting the world.” This may be coincidental or it could be a signal that there are some family relationships between characters that we—and possibly they—don’t know yet.

• One more clue. At the end, the woman’s speech is translated as “Hope is not lost…” (or “Our hope is not lost,” thanks Japanese vagueness!) “…it was reborn.” Instead of the English version, which says “Hope was not lost today, it is found.”

It’s only appropriate that we learned some new things from the Japanese captions, since “Star Wars” was inspired by George Lucas’ love of samurai movies. The word Jedi even comes from the Japanese term for those movies, “jidaigeki.”

Mile High Mania · 11-06-2015, 12:07 PM

My 13 year old just watched it... he's panicked, at the end where the girl is crying with the "hope" message being played, he says that's Chewie's body she is crying over.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-06-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

My 13 year old just watched it... he's panicked, at the end where the girl is crying with the "hope" message being played, he says that's Chewie's body she is crying over.

I think it's Finn. It's the brown jacket he was wearing earlier, not a furry arm, IMO.

Keep in mind, Finn just challenged Kylo Ren in that same forest.

Mile High Mania · 11-06-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think it's Finn. It's the brown jacket he was wearing earlier, not a furry arm, IMO.

Keep in mind, Finn just challenged Kylo Ren in that same forest.

I told him that Han likely dies, not Chewie. He looks at me and says "keep your silly theories and crazy talk to yourself".

We're Han fans...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-06-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I told him that Han likely dies, not Chewie. He looks at me and says "keep your silly theories and crazy talk to yourself".

We're Han fans...

Nah, they're not going to kill Han Solo. That would be akin to killing Captain Kirk in that awful Generations movie.

Star Wars fans would go nuts if one of the pillars of the OT was killed, especially in the first movie in more than 30 years to feature those characters.

JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy have more reverence for those characters and the Star Wars community to kill him off. Plus, Harrison Ford's already listed as a cast member of Episode VIII.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 11-06-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nah, they're not going to kill Han Solo. That would be akin to killing Captain Kirk in that awful Generations movie.

Star Wars fans would go nuts if one of the pillars of the OT was killed, especially in the first movie in more than 30 years to feature those characters.

JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy have more reverence for those characters and the Star Wars community to kill him off. Plus, Harrison Ford's already listed as a cast member of Episode VIII.

We've been through this. Jedi STIs and Force Ghost. They've already filmed his parts and will digitally insert him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-06-2015, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

We've been through this. Jedi STIs and Force Ghost. They've already filmed his parts and will digitally insert him.

keg in kc · 11-06-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's really, really subtle. I couldn't hear it on my iPad but hear in my studio.

There's no modulation on "What you started" and it sounds like Mark Hamill's voice to me.

Maybe I'm just hearing things?

I heard modulated Adam Driver. On both my kindle and on my desktop 7.1's.

keg in kc · 11-06-2015, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

• Rey is in trouble in the beginning. The voice that asks “Who are you?” uses a very arrogant tone, asking “Omae wa nani mono da” instead of the traditional “onamae wa nan desuka.” Although it’s a woman’s voice, the choice of words would be more traditionally masculine in Japanese. This likely is a signal that the person talking to Rey is an authority figure, probably an Imperial leader of some sort.

Thanks to a disney insider blog post we already know that the character asking who Rey is is Maz Kanata, played by Lupita Nyong’o. She's a pirate, not an Imperial.

To my ear, however, what we get after that is a jumble of lines from Daisy Ridley (Rey) and Gwendoline Christie (Captain Phasma - "I know all about waiting" sounds like her to me).

My guess is we have a bunch of lines from different parts of the movie thrown together, and that we shouldn't read any context from any of it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-06-2015, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Thanks to a disney insider blog post we already know that the character asking who Rey is is Maz Kanata, played by Lupita Nyong’o. She's a pirate, not an Imperial.

To my ear, however, what we get after that is a jumble of lines from Daisy Ridley (Rey) and Gwendoline Christie (Captain Phasma - "I know all about waiting" sounds like her to me).

My guess is we have a bunch of lines from different parts of the movie thrown together, and that we shouldn't read any context from any of it.

What threw me off is that Rey has a British accent. I had mistakenly assumed she would speak with an American accent.

This makes it more difficult to ascertain whether it was Rey or Phasma, as they're both British.

Abrams is really trying to confuse the audience. I bet this doesn't happen with Rian Johnson and Episode VIII.

Fish · 11-06-2015, 04:47 PM

Maz Kanata sounds really interesting. She must be either a force user, ex Jedi/Sith, or something. She's the one that hands the saber to Rey. Also the one in the poster beside R2:

Reportedly, she's an old pirate, and runs a castle for pirate riff raff. She comes off as one of the most knowledgeable people in the film regarding the Force, Jedi, and Luke's saber.

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11-06-2015, 12:07 PM	#2360
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	http://time.com/4102942/star-wars-tr...e-translation/ This is somewhat interesting from Time Magazine The translations are more telling than you might think. Japanese is a language with layers of formality that make it almost impossible to communicate without signaling the relative social positions of two people. (By the same token, it’s much more comfortable leaving out parts of the sentence English speakers would find crucial, so between the voiceover and the captions, we know more than we would from just one.) TIME went over the captions with some native speakers and friends who teach Japanese (plus our shaky, decades-old memories of studying it in high school.) Here’s what we learned. • Rey is in trouble in the beginning. The voice that asks “Who are you?” uses a very arrogant tone, asking “Omae wa nani mono da” instead of the traditional “onamae wa nan desuka.” Although it’s a woman’s voice, the choice of words would be more traditionally masculine in Japanese. This likely is a signal that the person talking to Rey is an authority figure, probably an Imperial leader of some sort. • Rey is not very rebellious. Just as the question was asked in a masculine way, Rey’s response (“I’m not anything.”) is very feminine. That could be a cultural thing—Japanese translators often add sexism where none exists in the English version—or it could be a way of signaling that she is being very deferential. At any rate, this is not a Leia-like figure standing up to the Empire, but someone beaten down by it. • Japanese is frustratingly vague sometimes. The brief title card says simply “Wake up.” That could be a reference to Rey or it could be talking about the Force. It could alternately be read as “She shall awaken” or “It awakens.” As we said before, Japanese often leaves out things English speakers find a bit, shall we say, necessary to understanding the full meaning. But it’s likely a double-meaning, that the Force is awakening, as is Rey’s knowledge of her own power. • There’s a lot of subtext about family. When Kylo Ren addresses Vader’s helmet, the Japanese translation says “I am the one to inherit your legacy.” The next title card uses the passive construction of the same verb to say “A new generation is inheriting the world.” This may be coincidental or it could be a signal that there are some family relationships between characters that we—and possibly they—don’t know yet. • One more clue. At the end, the woman’s speech is translated as “Hope is not lost…” (or “Our hope is not lost,” thanks Japanese vagueness!) “…it was reborn.” Instead of the English version, which says “Hope was not lost today, it is found.” It’s only appropriate that we learned some new things from the Japanese captions, since “Star Wars” was inspired by George Lucas’ love of samurai movies. The word Jedi even comes from the Japanese term for those movies, “jidaigeki.”
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11-06-2015, 04:47 PM	#2370
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $1798919	Maz Kanata sounds really interesting. She must be either a force user, ex Jedi/Sith, or something. She's the one that hands the saber to Rey. Also the one in the poster beside R2: Reportedly, she's an old pirate, and runs a castle for pirate riff raff. She comes off as one of the most knowledgeable people in the film regarding the Force, Jedi, and Luke's saber. __________________
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