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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 01-06-2016, 11:45 AM   #2236
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He's just trolling. Asshat also thinks the Royals should trade Colon to the White Sox.
It's Discuss Thrower - he's probably just that stupid.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:46 AM   #2237
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I felt all along Gordo was using the other teams to drive up the Royals price. I just felt he wanted to stay here all along.

You can't blame him for getting all he can, it's the norm.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:48 AM   #2238
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Possibly - but were the Royals at risk of falling below 88 wins?

I guess the marginal win shares argument doesn't really apply unless you think that Starling would've been ready this year or next. You kinda need Dyson to start in RF already, don't you? You'd have been left with some pretty iffy options in the other corner had Gordon not returned.

It's just a long way of saying that the $8.4/share 'blanket' analysis is largely worthless. There's pretty much one situation where I think it makes sense - where a team is sitting right below the fringe of playoff caliber and have an organizational gap in the hole they're filling. At that point you could consider 'market' price a fair barometer. Otherwise there is just way too much stuff to consider.
I don't think you can expect 88 wins with a lineup of Escobar, Cain, Hosmer, Morales, Moose, Perez, Orlando, Infante, Dyson.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:48 AM   #2239
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:48 AM   #2240
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Royals seem to be hoping on the Ian Kennedy bandwagon. Welcome aboard to Duncan and me's train on that guy.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:50 AM   #2241
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Royals seem to be hoping on the Ian Kennedy bandwagon. Welcome aboard to Duncan and me's train on that guy.
I'm on board. With him, we would have to be solid favorites to win the division again.
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Royals seem to be hoping on the Ian Kennedy bandwagon. Welcome aboard to Duncan and me's train on that guy.
Duncan has been splooging to that guy for years. I've never seen him pitch, but his numbers are really stout. Gopher balls less of a problem here anyway.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:53 AM   #2243
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I don't think you can expect 88 wins with a lineup of Escobar, Cain, Hosmer, Morales, Moose, Perez, Orlando, Infante, Dyson.
Truth be told, I didn't expect it out of the lineup you had yet you guys pretty much led wire to wire.

Do you expect regression from some of those guys? I mean ultimately you won 95 games while getting 3 WAR out of Alex. If you do, why? Most of them are in/entering their primes. And shit, Infante almost can't be as bad as he was last year.

I guess 4 wins worth of regression isn't really that unheard of, but if a 95 win team that's only losing 1 impact player from the roster would be suddenly considered a 'fringe' playoff team, that pretty much makes every team in baseball fringe level.

At that point don't you just subscribe to the tossup model and say it's all just one wild ass guess anyway?
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Truth be told, I didn't expect it out of the lineup you had yet you guys pretty much led wire to wire.

Do you expect regression from some of those guys? I mean ultimately you won 95 games while getting 3 WAR out of Alex. If you do, why? Most of them are in/entering their primes. And shit, Infante almost can't be as bad as he was last year.

I guess 4 wins worth of regression isn't really that unheard of, but if a 95 win team that's only losing 1 impact player from the roster would be suddenly considered a 'fringe' playoff team, that pretty much makes every team in baseball fringe level.

At that point don't you just subscribe to the tossup model and say it's all just one wild ass guess anyway?
Replacing Gordon, Rios, and Zobrist with Dyson, Orlando, and Infante is a huge hit to a third of our lineup.
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Replacing Gordon, Rios, and Zobrist with Dyson, Orlando, and Infante is a huge hit to a third of our lineup.
Infante for Zobrist is the only hit, albeit a big one. We'd have won the division without Zobrist, but we wouldn't have won the WS. Same goes for Cueto frankly.
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Infante for Zobrist is the only hit, albeit a big one. We'd have won the division without Zobrist, but we wouldn't have won the WS. Same goes for Cueto frankly.
Orlando for Gordon would be a huge hit as well.
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Truth be told, I didn't expect it out of the lineup you had yet you guys pretty much led wire to wire.

Do you expect regression from some of those guys? I mean ultimately you won 95 games while getting 3 WAR out of Alex. If you do, why? Most of them are in/entering their primes. And shit, Infante almost can't be as bad as he was last year.

I guess 4 wins worth of regression isn't really that unheard of, but if a 95 win team that's only losing 1 impact player from the roster would be suddenly considered a 'fringe' playoff team, that pretty much makes every team in baseball fringe level.

At that point don't you just subscribe to the tossup model and say it's all just one wild ass guess anyway?
I'm more concerned with the pitching staff, namely Herrera and Davis. Lot of miles on those guys the last two seasons going deep into the playoffs. They paid Soria to help shoulder some of that load, so that should help. But he's basically just taking Madson's place. And while Holland wasn't terribly effective, he took on some of those late game innings in 2015 as well.
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I'm on board. With him, we would have to be solid favorites to win the division again.
I like Kennedy a lot as well and yeah, that sparkly K/9 jumps out.

One caveat, though. Some guys will have slightly inflated K/9 figures because they have a tendency to give up a few more baserunners (more PAs against means more chances at a K). It's why K% has become more popular of late - it doesn't 'penalize' guys for getting outs.

Lincecum was the first example of this that I really noticed. In 2012 his K/9 was almost exactly the same as his stellar 2011 season (in fact, it was a little better). His K% dropped by 1.5 points (about 5%); the reason was that he was facing more batters.

Kennedy is a bit like that; his K/9 is elite but his K% is merely good. The explanation for that is pretty straightforward when you see the 1.3 WHIP he had last season. Worse still, when you look at his K% and combine it with his xFIP, you see a very very interesting similar profile in 2015: James Shields.

If you consider the possible effect of a move to the AL and the fact that he won't get to strike out the pitcher anymore (thus inflating that figure a little as well), you suddenly wonder if maybe he wouldn't experience a bit of a reverse Shields in coming to KC. When Shields went KC to SD his K% skyrocketed (an amazing 6 points, damn near a full 1/3 better). I don't think Kennedy's would fall nearly that hard, but if it fell 1/2 that far, 3 points to say 21%, he's around guys like Hector Santiago and Jose Quintana. Probably not coincidentally, his WHIP is right around those guys same figures.

He's still a nice pitcher at that point, but I think there's a little fools gold in his numbers. I was really hoping the Pads wouldn't slap that QO on him. If you're stuck needing to go to $17 million/season on him and giving up a pick, I think it's a pretty tough call.
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