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Old 03-08-2017, 08:41 AM  
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:13 PM   #211
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Ware has no speed. Hunt doesn't either but he may be a tad quicker. Neither is a home run threat but they are serviceable. Spiller is quickest to get moving.
No, he's not a speed back. He's certainly no Chris Johnson.

But he's one of those 'fast for a big back' kind of runners; a 4.6 kinda player who's so powerfully built that his timed speed and game speed are very similar. Despite much different stopwatch times, I don't see West having a better top end than Ware (though admittedly he gets to his quicker). I don't think it's fair at all to say he has 'no' speed - he's not a slow runningback. Especially not for such a large ballcarrier.

And ultimately, Ware runs a 4.6 at his playing weight. Hunt had to shed weight to hit a 4.6. From a pure athleticism standpoint, I like Ware more (I love Ware's feet as well; great bounce). But Hunt has very good vision and appears to have a good feel for blocks and timing.

Spiller's just hard to get a feel for still. He's so far removed from his healthy prime and has been running behind patchwork lines here in the pre-season. I don't actually know if he's truly fast anymore. But the coaches see him daily and at least have an idea one way or the other. If they think he's a genuine HR threat, he'll probably make the team.

I'm not convinced he is.
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:17 PM   #212
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Ware is a VERY talented back, IMO.

Speed, power and agility. His acceleration and ability to bounce plays is really underrated.

That said - he was a mess after his injury last year (wasn't it a concussion?). The 2015 version of him looked like a 1,400 yard, 4.5 YPC runningback to my eyes. He shocked the hell out of me. And for a few games to start last year he looked just as good. Then he got hurt and just fell apart.

I'm not convinced Hunt's a clearly more talented back. He might be - we shall see. His vision is very good and his running style is fairly unique. He might fit this team perfectly and be just funky enough to give teams fits (a poor man's Bell, so to speak). But I won't just concede that he's clearly more talented than Ware.

Ware's power/speed combination is pretty hard to find when he's running right.
Has Ware ever demonstrated he could play at a high me level for a full season? He hasn't here and I don't believe he ever did in college either.
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:37 PM   #213
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Ware has no speed. Hunt doesn't either but he may be a tad quicker. Neither is a home run threat but they are serviceable. Spiller is quickest to get moving.
Part of the reason for his stats involves the Bills' offense, playing time and injuries. He still has a career average of 4.9 YPC. Not bad. I think he's a good fit for the Chiefs offense and will make the roster. West will go to the practice squad. Hope Spiller can stay healthy. We'll see...
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I won't give Spiller the "benefit of the doubt" because he hasn't been healthy since the 2013 season AND he's 30 years old.

West had a rough go of it for ONE YEAR and he's still a "young" 26.

In less than two full seasons, West has 5 rushing TD's and 3 receiving TD's.

Since being drafted in 2010, Spiller has 12 rushing TD's and 9 receiving TD's.

I don't get the love.
I don't think it is as much a "love" for Spiller as it is more of being underwhelmed by West. Age would be more of a consideration if we were telling one of these guys to be the feature back, but that is not the case. There are as many shitty young players in the NFL as there are old players in the NFL. You arguably roll the dice on Spiller with regards to his health, but he has looked good thus far in preseason and is obviously a professional that brings a well-rounded game to the table.
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:43 PM   #215
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You arguably roll the dice on Spiller with regards to his health, but he has looked good thus far in preseason and is obviously a professional that brings a well-rounded game to the table.
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West - 12 carries, 119 yards rushing. Zero targets receiving

Spiller - 6 carries, 27 yards, 3 receptions for 11 yards.



You're reading all of the Camp Hype without either watching his performance in preseason and/or knowing his stats.

Keeping Spiller in lieu of West not only comes with a $818k cap his and $340k in Dead Cap, Spiller hasn't proven to be healthy for even 15 games since 2012.
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Part of the reason for his stats involves the Bills' offense, playing time and injuries. He still has a career average of 4.9 YPC. Not bad. I think he's a good fit for the Chiefs offense and will make the roster. West will go to the practice squad. Hope Spiller can stay healthy. We'll see...
Good ****ing god, West isn't going on the Practice Squad.

The Chiefs would be beyond foolish not only to cut him but even worse, not even to trade him.

The guy has proven that when healthy, he's an effective WCO running back.

Seattle, Green Bay, Buffalo and Philly could use him immediately.
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:48 PM   #217
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Has Ware ever demonstrated he could play at a high me level for a full season? He hasn't here and I don't believe he ever did in college either.
Ware had never been a "Feature Back" until 2016
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Part of the reason for his stats involves the Bills' offense, playing time and injuries. He still has a career average of 4.9 YPC. Not bad. I think he's a good fit for the Chiefs offense and will make the roster. West will go to the practice squad. Hope Spiller can stay healthy. We'll see...
West has too many years in the league to be on the practice squad. And either way, he's too good to be a practice squad player. He's a special teamed at worst. Backup RB at best.
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Isn't a little weird that Harris was arrested way back on March 8th but there's been no trial or follow up info?
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Good ****ing god, West isn't going on the Practice Squad.

The Chiefs would be beyond foolish not only to cut him but even worse, not even to trade him.

The guy has proven that when healthy, he's an effective WCO running back.

Seattle, Green Bay, Buffalo and Philly could use him immediately.
Seattle has three better than West. Green Bay could care less about rb's. Buffalo I doubt it but maybe Philly.
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No, he's not a speed back. He's certainly no Chris Johnson.

But he's one of those 'fast for a big back' kind of runners; a 4.6 kinda player who's so powerfully built that his timed speed and game speed are very similar. Despite much different stopwatch times, I don't see West having a better top end than Ware (though admittedly he gets to his quicker). I don't think it's fair at all to say he has 'no' speed - he's not a slow runningback. Especially not for such a large ballcarrier.

And ultimately, Ware runs a 4.6 at his playing weight. Hunt had to shed weight to hit a 4.6. From a pure athleticism standpoint, I like Ware more (I love Ware's feet as well; great bounce). But Hunt has very good vision and appears to have a good feel for blocks and timing.

Spiller's just hard to get a feel for still. He's so far removed from his healthy prime and has been running behind patchwork lines here in the pre-season. I don't actually know if he's truly fast anymore. But the coaches see him daily and at least have an idea one way or the other. If they think he's a genuine HR threat, he'll probably make the team.

I'm not convinced he is.
I have honestly never heard a more glowing review of a player, than Bienemy gave Spiller last week... he just went on and on and on, he simply couldnt praise the guy enough, it was over the top

Combine that with how he looked against Cincy, and I'd bet the guy is ready to ball out

I'd be absolutely floored if he didnt make the team
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Who? They went through running backs like Gatorade last year

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That's why they've been drafting and trading for backs for years? Huh?

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Buffalo I doubt it but maybe Philly.
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Who? They went through running backs like Gatorade last year



That's why they've been drafting and trading for backs for years? Huh?
Seattle has Rawls, Lacey and Proise. All are better than West.

GB loves RBs so much they let Lacey go and have a WR in Montgomery playing RB.

Buffalo has Shady and traded Gillespie who is pretty good. Meaning they don't really care either.

Philly maybe because Pederson is there and West knows the offense
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Seattle has Rawls, Lacey and Proise. All are better than West.

GB loves RBs so much they let Lacey go and have a WR in Montgomery playing RB.

Buffalo has Shady and traded Gillespie who is pretty good. Meaning they don't really care either.

Philly maybe because Pederson is there and West knows the offense
Agree to disagree.

And Lacy is garbage.
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