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**Bowser** · 12:05 PM

To the surprise of nobody not named Hog Farmer...

The Cleveland Browns will move on from Johnny Manziel just two seasons after they drafted him in the first round.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday the team will cut Manziel when the new league year starts March 9.

Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown released a statement Tuesday regarding Manziel's most recent off-field incident.

"We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field," Brown said. "Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time."

Per league rules, the Browns cannot cut Manziel until next week at the earliest. Rapoport reported the Browns have $20 million in cap space for 2015, which the carried over to 2016, like all but three teams did. Because Manziel has guarantees in his contract, they need space to absorb the cap hit in 2015. Currently, they have no space, which is why they will wait for the league year to start.

Rapoport previously reported that when new coach Hue Jackson took over the team, Manziel's fate was sealed.

Browns' statement makes that eventuality clearer.

Manziel is being investigated for an alleged incident with a 23-year-old female, the Fort Worth Police Department said in a statement on Saturday. The alleged incident occurred late last Friday evening at an apartment complex in Fort Worth.

According to the statement, officers responded to a report of a possible assault and made contact with the 23-year-old female, who was unrelated to the caller. The complainant stated that she was involved in a disturbance with Manziel, her ex-boyfriend, earlier in the evening in Dallas. The officers were unable to locate a crime scene within the Fort Worth jurisdiction

After the complaintant advised the Fort Worth P.D. officers of concerns that she had regarding Manziel's well-being, they attempted to locate him by calling his cell phone, checking locations in the area and searching the area with the assistance of an Air One Unit. Following the search, it was determined that Manziel was safe and in no danger.

The Fort Worth Police Department is still actively working with the Dallas Police Department to determine if a criminal offense occurred.

An NFL spokesman added, "We are aware and looking into it."

This marks the latest of several incidents involving Manziel as a member of the Browns. The team announced last month that it had fined the second-year quarterback for missing a scheduled medical treatment on the final Sunday of the season.

Manziel was also benched ahead of a Week 12 matchup with the Ravens after a video surfaced of the quarterback partying at a club in Austin. A week prior to that, Manziel was cleared of any wrongdoing in a domestic violence incident. During the 2015 offseason, the quarterback spent 10 weeks in the offseason in a Pennsylvania rehab facility specializing in alcohol and substance abuse.

milkman · 02-07-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I wonder if Andy Reid could get the kid focused and on point...

His vision, instincts, playmaking ability, elusiveness and attacking mentality are of the highest level and those are uncoachable traits you look for in QBs.

Maybe Andy could get him focused off the field and make something out of the kid.

He had Vick playing MVP quality ball.

Michael Vick's issue was a character flaw.

Addiction is a combination of physical, metal, and emotional factors that will take more than a single person to get him "focused".

threebag · 02-07-2016, 10:15 AM

He will be one of Jerry's Kids

O.city · 02-07-2016, 11:03 AM

He can't play qb from the pocket. He can't do the one thing that a qb has to and he doesn't seem to want to work at it.

Pass

**BossChief** · 02-07-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He can't play qb from the pocket. He can't do the one thing that a qb has to and he doesn't seem to want to work at it.

Pass

Neither could Vick.

O.city · 02-07-2016, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Neither could Vick.

Vick was respectable at times at it, Manziel cant.

The list of guys working the things out he needs to is like, 2 people.

**Mav** · 02-08-2016, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

I wonder if Andy Reid could get the kid focused and on point...

His vision, instincts, playmaking ability, elusiveness and attacking mentality are of the highest level and those are uncoachable traits you look for in QBs.

Maybe Andy could get him focused off the field and make something out of the kid.

He had Vick playing MVP quality ball.

The flaw in this plan is that no one can get Johnny to do anything. No one.

**alpha_omega** · 02-09-2016, 12:39 PM

Well, this may not be the exact right location for this article...but i found it interesting....

Kyle Allen: Texas A&M dysfunction stems from Manziel-led culture

February 9, 2016 10:47 am ET

HOUSTON -- Kyle Allen says a frustrating “culture” left over from the Johnny Manziel era is partly to blame for Allen's recent departure from Texas A&M.

Aggies' coach Kevin Sumlin saw both Allen and Kyler Murray -- two valued quarterback prospects -- transfer within a week of each other in December. The moves sparked questions -- still left unanswered -- about what was going on in College Station, Texas.

In what is believed to be his most in-depth interview on the subject, Allen detailed to CBS Sports the reasons he left A&M for Houston.

“I think the culture was a big part of it, and I think that stems from Johnny's era there -- the way that they let Johnny and [others] act there,” said Allen, the No. 1-rated pro-style quarterback in the 247Sports Composite for 2014. “They [could] do that and still win games because they had Johnny … and five offensive linemen playing in the NFL right now.”
Allen added: “A lot of people were riding off that, ‘I can do whatever the hell I want and win on Saturday.'"

Manziel's off-field issues and discipline problems have been well-documented. In that 2012 Heisman Trophy-winning season, Manziel was known as much for his partying as his play. Since that season, 10 Aggies have been drafted, the most from the program in a three-year period since 2005.

The momentum created by that success drew both Allen and Murray to College Station. Both started games for Texas A&M in 2015, a season that ended with a second consecutive 8-5 finish for the Aggies.
“When you don't have players like Johnny and [others] there anymore, you have to really come together as a team and scrap for wins,” Allen said.
“We had a lot of people who were talking about the same goal but weren't all committed and on the same page to get to that goal," Allen said.
“For you to win in the SEC -- especially the SEC West -- 10 games a year and be a controlling powerhouse in that conference, you can't have a bunch of people going different ways.

Everyone wasn't in a straight line. Everyone was going this way, this way, this way. We had a ton of talent there. I think that, once you get all the right coaches there and get the vision right, you can do a lot of things.”
CBS Sports reached out to Texas A&M on Tuesday morning for a response to Allen's comments but had not heard back at the time of publication.
Allen went on to say former A&M offensive coordinator Jake Spavital is an “awesome dude,” but he only briefly referred to coach Kevin Sumlin.
“Usually, you see Houston as a stepping stone for most coaches, just like Coach Sumlin was from Houston to A&M,” Allen said. “I think the university is trying to change that.”Sumlin left Houston after four season, concluding his Cougars career with a 12-1 finish in 2011. Tom Herman went 13-1 in his first season with Houston in 2015 and was recently rewarded with a five-year, $15 million contract.

Allen was philosophical about Herman being one of the hottest coaches in the country.

“A major reason I'm here is because of him and [offensive coordinator Major Applewhite],” he said. “From what I've learned in college football in just watching stuff, you can't really count on a coach [to stay]. It's life, you know. If he gets offered $20 million to go coach at Ohio State … you can't blame him [for leaving].”

In two seasons with the Aggies, Allen played in 20 games and threw for more than 3,500 yards and 33 touchdowns. After sitting out 2016, he will have two years of eligibility remaining.

Murray transferred to Oklahoma and will also be eligible in 2017 after a year on the sidelines.

Allen was asked about his prospects transferring from a Power Five to a Group of Five program, especially considering he did not just leave any Power Five team -- Texas A&M's stadium and surrounding facilities are considered among the best in the country.

“At the end of the day, football is still football,” Allen said. “It helps recruiting a lot [at a Power Five program]. Our big player lounge [at A&M], our big scoreboard -- it's a recruiting tool. But when it comes down to it, at some level, it can hurt a team.

“Having all of that at such a young age, we didn't do much to deserve that. I don't think I realized it until I got here.”

Houston has invested millions lately into both football and basketball. The Cougars are heading into their third season in the $120 million TDECU Stadium. Basketball coach Kelvin Sampson has a new practice facility.

Herman had established a relationship with Allen having previously recruited the signal caller while serving as Ohio State's offensive coordinator. Allen transferred to Houston without setting foot on campus.
“For him to make that leap is a bit unique,” Herman said.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...el-led-culture

tk13 · 02-09-2016, 12:50 PM

There's a report out today that says Manziel never had a concussion this year. The Browns were covering for him because he showed up to practice drunk, so they lied on their injury report. What a mess.
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eDave · 02-09-2016, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

There's a report out today that says Manziel never had a concussion this year. The Browns were covering for him because he showed up to practice drunk, so they lied on their injury report. What a mess.
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I'll have to rethink my other post if this is true.

**The Franchise** · 02-09-2016, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

There's a report out today that says Manziel never had a concussion this year. The Browns were covering for him because he showed up to practice drunk, so they lied on their injury report. What a mess.
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Browns are about to be ****ed.

tk13 · 02-09-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Browns are about to be ****ed.

Yeah, I wonder if they can be penalized for that. Still it's not a good look. That wasn't going to help fix his drinking problem.
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**SAUTO** · 02-09-2016, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah, I wonder if they can be penalized for that. Still it's not a good look. That wasn't going to help fix his drinking problem.
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lying about a concussion and lying on an injury report?

i would say they are about to get their collective asses handed to them...

02-02-2016, 11:56 AM
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3181616	Cleveland Browns to cut Johnny Manziel To the surprise of nobody not named Hog Farmer... The Cleveland Browns will move on from Johnny Manziel just two seasons after they drafted him in the first round. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday the team will cut Manziel when the new league year starts March 9. Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown released a statement Tuesday regarding Manziel's most recent off-field incident. "We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field," Brown said. "Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time." Per league rules, the Browns cannot cut Manziel until next week at the earliest. Rapoport reported the Browns have $20 million in cap space for 2015, which the carried over to 2016, like all but three teams did. Because Manziel has guarantees in his contract, they need space to absorb the cap hit in 2015. Currently, they have no space, which is why they will wait for the league year to start. Rapoport previously reported that when new coach Hue Jackson took over the team, Manziel's fate was sealed. Browns' statement makes that eventuality clearer. Manziel is being investigated for an alleged incident with a 23-year-old female, the Fort Worth Police Department said in a statement on Saturday. The alleged incident occurred late last Friday evening at an apartment complex in Fort Worth. According to the statement, officers responded to a report of a possible assault and made contact with the 23-year-old female, who was unrelated to the caller. The complainant stated that she was involved in a disturbance with Manziel, her ex-boyfriend, earlier in the evening in Dallas. The officers were unable to locate a crime scene within the Fort Worth jurisdiction After the complaintant advised the Fort Worth P.D. officers of concerns that she had regarding Manziel's well-being, they attempted to locate him by calling his cell phone, checking locations in the area and searching the area with the assistance of an Air One Unit. Following the search, it was determined that Manziel was safe and in no danger. The Fort Worth Police Department is still actively working with the Dallas Police Department to determine if a criminal offense occurred. An NFL spokesman added, "We are aware and looking into it." This marks the latest of several incidents involving Manziel as a member of the Browns. The team announced last month that it had fined the second-year quarterback for missing a scheduled medical treatment on the final Sunday of the season. Manziel was also benched ahead of a Week 12 matchup with the Ravens after a video surfaced of the quarterback partying at a club in Austin. A week prior to that, Manziel was cleared of any wrongdoing in a domestic violence incident. During the 2015 offseason, the quarterback spent 10 weeks in the offseason in a Pennsylvania rehab facility specializing in alcohol and substance abuse. Last edited by Bowser; 02-02-2016 at 12:05 PM..
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alpha_omega Supporter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Liberty Casino cash: $1361251	Well, this may not be the exact right location for this article...but i found it interesting.... Kyle Allen: Texas A&M dysfunction stems from Manziel-led culture February 9, 2016 10:47 am ET HOUSTON -- Kyle Allen says a frustrating “culture” left over from the Johnny Manziel era is partly to blame for Allen's recent departure from Texas A&M. Aggies' coach Kevin Sumlin saw both Allen and Kyler Murray -- two valued quarterback prospects -- transfer within a week of each other in December. The moves sparked questions -- still left unanswered -- about what was going on in College Station, Texas. In what is believed to be his most in-depth interview on the subject, Allen detailed to CBS Sports the reasons he left A&M for Houston. “I think the culture was a big part of it, and I think that stems from Johnny's era there -- the way that they let Johnny and [others] act there,” said Allen, the No. 1-rated pro-style quarterback in the 247Sports Composite for 2014. “They [could] do that and still win games because they had Johnny … and five offensive linemen playing in the NFL right now.” Allen added: “A lot of people were riding off that, ‘I can do whatever the hell I want and win on Saturday.'" Manziel's off-field issues and discipline problems have been well-documented. In that 2012 Heisman Trophy-winning season, Manziel was known as much for his partying as his play. Since that season, 10 Aggies have been drafted, the most from the program in a three-year period since 2005. The momentum created by that success drew both Allen and Murray to College Station. Both started games for Texas A&M in 2015, a season that ended with a second consecutive 8-5 finish for the Aggies. “When you don't have players like Johnny and [others] there anymore, you have to really come together as a team and scrap for wins,” Allen said. “We had a lot of people who were talking about the same goal but weren't all committed and on the same page to get to that goal," Allen said. “For you to win in the SEC -- especially the SEC West -- 10 games a year and be a controlling powerhouse in that conference, you can't have a bunch of people going different ways. Everyone wasn't in a straight line. Everyone was going this way, this way, this way. We had a ton of talent there. I think that, once you get all the right coaches there and get the vision right, you can do a lot of things.” CBS Sports reached out to Texas A&M on Tuesday morning for a response to Allen's comments but had not heard back at the time of publication. Allen went on to say former A&M offensive coordinator Jake Spavital is an “awesome dude,” but he only briefly referred to coach Kevin Sumlin. “Usually, you see Houston as a stepping stone for most coaches, just like Coach Sumlin was from Houston to A&M,” Allen said. “I think the university is trying to change that.”Sumlin left Houston after four season, concluding his Cougars career with a 12-1 finish in 2011. Tom Herman went 13-1 in his first season with Houston in 2015 and was recently rewarded with a five-year, $15 million contract. Allen was philosophical about Herman being one of the hottest coaches in the country. “A major reason I'm here is because of him and [offensive coordinator Major Applewhite],” he said. “From what I've learned in college football in just watching stuff, you can't really count on a coach [to stay]. It's life, you know. If he gets offered $20 million to go coach at Ohio State … you can't blame him [for leaving].” In two seasons with the Aggies, Allen played in 20 games and threw for more than 3,500 yards and 33 touchdowns. After sitting out 2016, he will have two years of eligibility remaining. Murray transferred to Oklahoma and will also be eligible in 2017 after a year on the sidelines. Allen was asked about his prospects transferring from a Power Five to a Group of Five program, especially considering he did not just leave any Power Five team -- Texas A&M's stadium and surrounding facilities are considered among the best in the country. “At the end of the day, football is still football,” Allen said. “It helps recruiting a lot [at a Power Five program]. Our big player lounge [at A&M], our big scoreboard -- it's a recruiting tool. But when it comes down to it, at some level, it can hurt a team. “Having all of that at such a young age, we didn't do much to deserve that. I don't think I realized it until I got here.” Houston has invested millions lately into both football and basketball. The Cougars are heading into their third season in the $120 million TDECU Stadium. Basketball coach Kelvin Sampson has a new practice facility. Herman had established a relationship with Allen having previously recruited the signal caller while serving as Ohio State's offensive coordinator. Allen transferred to Houston without setting foot on campus. “For him to make that leap is a bit unique,” Herman said. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...el-led-culture
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