Chiefs Chiefs Are "Begging" To Get Out Of 1st Pick - Page 15

houstonwhodat · 05:02 AM

According to this reporter at SB Nation, the Chiefs are "begging" to get out of the 1st pick in the draft.

April 15th:

"The Kansas City Chiefs earned the top spot in the NFL Draft with their 2-14 record last season, but it seems increasingly likely that they won't be the ones to actually make the first selection: Mike Freeman of CBS writes that the Chiefs are "begging" for the opportunity to move the pick."

"It's no surprise that the Kansas City Chiefs are open to trades for the No. 1 pick. They've already traded for a quarterback in Alex Smith, and the near-consensus best player available, Luke Joeckel, doesn't seem to be inspiring huge amounts of excitement in Kansas City, especially since Branden Albert has been a solid option for them at the position ever since they used their first-round pick on him in 2008. It is a little bit surprising how open they seem to be about it. Andy Reid said the team was open to it all the way back in February, and GM John Dorsey made similar statements a few weeks ago. But that's nothing compared to all the rumors of behind-the-scenes machinations trying to trade the pick. For what it's worth, Dan Kadar of Mocking the Draft said moving the pick was a "dream scenario" when he analyzed the Chiefs' choices in February."

"No team has traded a No. 1 pick since 2004 when the Chargers traded Eli Manning to the Giants, but that was a different scenario, as Manning had publicly stated he wouldn't play for the Chargers. Despite the ultimatum, they were still able to get a good haul for him - the fourth pick in that draft, Phillip Rivers, as well as first and third-round picks in 2005. The Rams were able to get an arm and a leg from the Redskins for the second pick in last year's draft, receiving last year's No. 6 pick and a second-rounder as well as first-round picks in this upcoming draft and in 2014. However, those trades were both for franchise-caliber quarterbacks, something this class has a dearth of."

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/1...ing-trade-down

O.city · 04-15-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The fans that want Geno remind me of the Jags and Vikings in 2011. Overdrafting a questionable QB prospect who didn't deserve to be picked where he was and then a few years later they realize that other players picked directly after you had better players who are making way more of an impact.

So what would have been different if they were picked in the second round? They're still shitty QB's no matter where they're picked.

B14ckmon · 04-15-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The fans that want Geno remind me of the Jags and Vikings in 2011. Overdrafting a questionable QB prospect who didn't deserve to be picked where he was and then a few years later they realize that other players picked directly after you had better players who are making way more of an impact.

Except the Jaguars fans DID NOT want to take Gabbert and Vikings fans were equally concerned about Ponder.

Marcellus · 04-15-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So what would have been different if they were picked in the second round? They're still shitty QB's no matter where they're picked.

Well I guess that's the point. You don't pick a QB just to say you did.

O.city · 04-15-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well I guess that's the point. You don't pick a QB just to say you did.

Yeah, no shit.

We've sat thru 30 years of that mantra though. You also don't trade for a back up Qb just to do it.

**BossChief** · 04-15-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Reid/Dorsey didn't have anything to do with those picks.

People are holding a grudge against Dorsey/Reid that occurred under other GM/HC's

How is anyone holding a grudge against them when the draft hasn't even happened yet?

Reid and Dorsey were brought in to improve the team and give us a chance to win a championship...I find it hard to believe there isn't a single qb prospect in this whole draft that's better than Alex Smith

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You do realize KC isn't the only team to pass those guys up for lesser players right? And some teams ****ed up even worse.

Hindsight is 20/20. I didn't see anyone on CP clamoring for any of those guys. **** we were ELATED when we got DJ.

Yet there is constant talk of how GMs need to listen to CP. difference is hindsight.

Oh, good.

The "they work in the NFL so we should cut them some slack" defense. These guys are paid to be the best at what they do...passing on every college quarterback and trading for a vet is ok...so long as it works out to be the best choice.

If Alex Smith is unable to get this team to the next level and a college quarterback gets another team there...then what?

Are we supposed to give them a mulligan with the first pick?

RunKC · 04-15-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Neither of them are the best football player available. If you take either, you're taking them for what they could be, not what they are.

I agree, though I bet a team like Jacksonville very well could have Dion Jordan at the top of their board.

Marcellus · 04-15-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, no shit.

We've sat thru 30 years of that mantra though. You also don't trade for a back up Qb just to do it.

So you think they traded for Alex Smith just to piss off CP? Seems to be the case because otherwise they don't know anything about football.

KChiefs1 · 04-15-2013, 08:31 PM

Experts are now saying Joeckel, Fisher & Johnson will now all be pick in the top 5.

O.city · 04-15-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I agree, though I bet a team like Jacksonville very well could have Dion Jordan at the top of their board.

I thought you said Jordan was BPA or potentially BPA at 1?

People dont' want to hear it, but in reality, there isn't a "BPA" available at 1 in this draft.

In the top 10, where you normally look for a cornerstone, this year there might end up being 2 of those guys or there might be 8. It's a crapshoot up there this year.

Identify who best fits your system and go from there.

RunKC · 04-15-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, no shit.

We've sat thru 30 years of that mantra though. You also don't trade for a back up Qb just to do it.

The biggest difference is that Andy Reid is not a guy who's going to settle for shit like King Carl and Pioli.

If Alex Smith struggles like he did pre-2011, than he WILL be replaced.

Marcellus · 04-15-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

How is anyone holding a grudge against them when the draft hasn't even happened yet?

Reid and Dorsey were brought in to improve the team and give us a chance to win a championship...I find it hard to believe there isn't a single qb prospect in this whole draft that's better than Alex Smith

Oh, good.

The "they work in the NFL so we should cut them some slack" defense. These guys are paid to be the best at what they do...passing on every college quarterback and trading for a vet is ok...so long as it works out to be the best choice.

If Alex Smith is unable to get this team to the next level and a college quarterback gets another team there...then what?
Are we supposed to give them a mulligan with the first pick?

But it's ok if Geno sucks. At least they did what you wanted right.

And since YOU find it hard to believe this QB draft class sucks worse than a former #1 overall pick then I guess we will just defer to you.

Saccopoo · 04-15-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

We stay at 1 and we will choose the best player available, which is Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher or Dion Jordan.

The people saying Geno Smith is the best player available are the desperate, stupid fans who want him simply because he's a QB.

Really?

As I've asked you time and time again, give me one player in this draft who has not only the upside/ceiling of Geno Smith, but has the high level of consistent performance at the college level regardless of position.

Luke Joeckel? Eric Fisher? Dion Jordan? Please.

Why are these better prospects, in your opinion, than Geno?

Saccopoo · 04-15-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Only if Geno Smith actually turns into a franchise QB.

Potential will get you fired .......

So will not drafting that potential.

O.city · 04-15-2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

So you think they traded for Alex Smith just to piss off CP? Seems to be the case because otherwise they don't know anything about football.

Don't come off at me all half cocked, telling me to "trust the process". No where in my post did I say that.

I said you don't trade for a back up Qb just to do it, unless you see something. Obviously they see something.

You realize it's possible for people who do know alot about football to make a mistake, right?

penbrook · 04-15-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The biggest difference is that Andy Reid is not a guy who's going to settle for shit like King Carl and *****.

If Alex Smith struggles like he did pre-2011, than he WILL be replaced.

Alex even said if he doesnt win this year that he will be replaced.

04-15-2013, 12:03 PM
houstonwhodat Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Parallel Universe Casino cash: $10004900	Chiefs Are "Begging" To Get Out Of 1st Pick According to this reporter at SB Nation, the Chiefs are "begging" to get out of the 1st pick in the draft. April 15th: "The Kansas City Chiefs earned the top spot in the NFL Draft with their 2-14 record last season, but it seems increasingly likely that they won't be the ones to actually make the first selection: Mike Freeman of CBS writes that the Chiefs are "begging" for the opportunity to move the pick." "It's no surprise that the Kansas City Chiefs are open to trades for the No. 1 pick. They've already traded for a quarterback in Alex Smith, and the near-consensus best player available, Luke Joeckel, doesn't seem to be inspiring huge amounts of excitement in Kansas City, especially since Branden Albert has been a solid option for them at the position ever since they used their first-round pick on him in 2008. It is a little bit surprising how open they seem to be about it. Andy Reid said the team was open to it all the way back in February, and GM John Dorsey made similar statements a few weeks ago. But that's nothing compared to all the rumors of behind-the-scenes machinations trying to trade the pick. For what it's worth, Dan Kadar of Mocking the Draft said moving the pick was a "dream scenario" when he analyzed the Chiefs' choices in February." "No team has traded a No. 1 pick since 2004 when the Chargers traded Eli Manning to the Giants, but that was a different scenario, as Manning had publicly stated he wouldn't play for the Chargers. Despite the ultimatum, they were still able to get a good haul for him - the fourth pick in that draft, Phillip Rivers, as well as first and third-round picks in 2005. The Rams were able to get an arm and a leg from the Redskins for the second pick in last year's draft, receiving last year's No. 6 pick and a second-rounder as well as first-round picks in this upcoming draft and in 2014. However, those trades were both for franchise-caliber quarterbacks, something this class has a dearth of." http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/1...ing-trade-down Last edited by houstonwhodat; 04-16-2013 at 05:02 AM..
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