Would you rather be 8-0 with Alex Smith or 3-5 with Geno?

[splatbass]

Considering how they dominate every discussion on this forum, it is interesting to see that only 13 would take Geno in this scenario. They sure make a lot of noise for a few people.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Considering how they dominate every discussion on this forum, it is interesting to see that only 13 would take Geno in this scenario. They sure make a lot of noise for a few people.

When you lead the league in turnovers and throw a pair of Pick Sixes on the way to to a 40 point loss, you gotta go with that guy every time.

[Discuss Thrower]

The Jets are at 4-4. If they lose out theyve exceeded the amount of wins the 1998 Colts had with Peyton Manning. They keep up at that pace they're the same record as the 2002 Charhers with Drew Brees. The win two more they've tied the 2004 Giants, and if they win no more than Geno has three more wins than Eli did.

In the next three or so years is Geno going to play to the level of Peyton from 1999 to 2001? Odds are, no. Brees until he got injured? Maybe not. Eli Manning from 2005 to 2008? Could he be any worse? What about Roethlisberger? Or Andy freaking Dalton?

You have to take a chance. It's better you go with the ghoul you're unsure of than the devil that you know well when it comes to QBs. We know Alex is a game manager who has to have an elite defense to win games in the regular season and hasn't overcome errors from the rest of the team to win in the postseason. We don't know that Geno is or is not a guy that can win games single handedly in weeks 1-17 and after. But you have to take that chance to determine or way or the other - otherwise a team is no better than the likes of Arizona, Minnesota or Buffalo (pre-2013) in acquiring other teams' castoffs to try and win.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Jets are at 4-4. If they lose out theyve exceeded the amount of wins the 1998 Colts had with Peyton Manning. They keep up at that pace they're the same record as the 2002 Charhers with Drew Brees. The win two more they've tied the 2004 Giants, and if they win no more than Geno has three more wins than Eli did.

In the next three or so years is Geno going to play to the level of Peyton from 1999 to 2001? Odds are, no. Brees until he got injured? Maybe not. Eli Manning from 2005 to 2008? Could he be any worse? What about Roethlisberger? Or Andy freaking Dalton?

You have to take a chance. It's better you go with the ghoul you're unsure of than the devil that you know well when it comes to QBs. We know Alex is a game manager who has to have an elite defense to win games in the regular season and hasn't overcome errors from the rest of the team to win in the postseason. We don't know that Geno is or is not a guy that can win games single handedly in weeks 1-17 and after. But you have to take that chance to determine or way or the other - otherwise a team is no better than the likes of Arizona, Minnesota or Buffalo (pre-2013) in acquiring other teams' castoffs to try and win.

No. You're talking out of your ass.

And shorten your prose.

Get to the ****ing point more quickly.

[RobBlake]

i've never seen a QB overrated as much as Geno Smith as you guys do. WOW lol There are better QBs in this draft than last years.

[The Bad Guy]

I'm speechless at the absolute stupidity.

You do understand, that just because we didn't take Geno Smith, have Alex Smith currently means absolutely nothing for quarterback evaluation in future drafts right?

Wow. People would rather be 3-5 with their guy as opposed to 8-0 without. That right there tells you how ****ing batshit crazy some of you are.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'm speechless at the absolute stupidity.

You do understand, that just because we didn't take Geno Smith, have Alex Smith currently means absolutely nothing for quarterback evaluation in future drafts right?

Wow. People would rather be 3-5 with their guy as opposed to 8-0 without. That right there tells you how ****ing batshit crazy some of you are.

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.

No...I think Andy Reid is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0. And I guess I will trust his judgment that Geno wasn't the QB he wanted.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.

Well, yeah, 15 people have responded to the poll and said they WOULD rather be 3-5 with Geno.

Add 16 turnovers, and it's entirely possible that the Chiefs would be 3-5. Only the most loyal Geno ballwashers don't understand that.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Well, yeah, 15 people have responded to the poll and said they WOULD rather be 3-5 with Geno.

Add 16 turnovers, and it's entirely possible that the Chiefs would be 3-5. Only the most loyal Geno ballwashers don't understand that.

I picked 3-5, but I really don't believe that would be the record. I think it's probably 6-2 and he doesn't turn the ball over as much here.

I picked Geno because in the end I think Geno will be a top 10-12 QB in the NFL for a decade, so in the big picture view I picked having a top level QB for a decade over an 8-0 start to a season with possibly 1 playoff win. So yeah give me the QB to build around over a good regular season for 1 year.

Of course that's always been the problem with Chiefs fans as this poll clearly shows. They love that short term gratification of regular season wins over the few years of growing pains developing a QB that can take them to the next level down the line.

I also don't think it's just a "Geno" thing. I'm sure the poll would yield similar results if the questions was "Would you rather be 2-5(like the Redskins) with RG3 or would you rather be 8-0?"

FWIW I'd also rather be 3-5 with Tyler Bray gaining experience knowing the payoff could be huge for the next 10-15 years.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I picked 3-5, but I really don't believe that would be the record. I think it's probably 6-2 and he doesn't turn the ball over as much here.

I picked Geno because in the end I think Geno will be a top 10-12 QB in the NFL for a decade, so in the big picture view I picked having a top level QB for a decade over an 8-0 start to a season with possibly 1 playoff win. So yeah give me the QB to build around over a good regular season for 1 year.

Of course that's always been the problem with Chiefs fans as this poll clearly shows. They love that short term gratification of regular season wins over the few years of growing pains developing a QB that can take them to the next level down the line.

Believe it or not, we are not as far apart as you might think. I wanted the Chiefs to draft Geno, but I am fine with Andy Reid making his own decision. At 8-0, Reid is clearly better at picking a quarterback than Pioli/Haley/Crennel were. Geno has played well enough this year that I wish he were on the Chiefs roster as QBOTF, and it could have easily happened. I do think Alex Smith was a good choice to bring immediate stability to a 2-14 team, and I disagree with your position that the Chiefs would be 6-2 with Geno. But, like probably everyone else right now, I sure do wish they had drafted Geno instead of Eric Fischer, and put him on the bench to learn behind Alex Smith.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Of course that's always been the problem with Chiefs fans as this poll clearly shows. They love that short term gratification of regular season wins over the few years of growing pains developing a QB that can take them to the next level down the line.

Your a idiot. Get me Andrew luck and I will take the growing pains as they come. Give Andy Reid and company more than just one draft before u think our new regime will never look at drafting a qb again. They just traded for Alex they weren't going to draft a qb in the early rounds again like the 49ers and say we brought u in to be a stop gap.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Well, yeah, 15 people have responded to the poll and said they WOULD rather be 3-5 with Geno.

Add 16 turnovers, and it's entirely possible that the Chiefs would be 3-5. Only the most loyal Geno ballwashers don't understand that.

If we have to add the 16 turnovers (Geno trying to catch up) can we also add the 8 TDs that Duane Bowe would have by now?

See, we have no way of knowing how would have turned out, but it is fun to discuss. I love being 8-0, we have been here before. But there is no way I am going to allow myself to get as high about it as I used to. It was a long hard fall after 95, 97 and 03. If they win a playoff game there is nobody going to be any happier about it than me.

Also, I still don't believe for a minute that Andy Reid was allowed to draft a QB and I stand by that. The record is what it is, no 1st round QB drafted in 30 years, with an endless trail of reasons.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.

That is what the poll is asking. If you picked the Geno answer then you would rather be 3-5 right now instead of 8-0.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN

That is what the poll is asking. If you picked the Geno answer then you would rather be 3-5 right now instead of 8-0.

Actually I didn't vote in the poll, as I stated in my first post in this thread I don't agree with the 3-5 scenario at all. But is however a worthwhile discussion.