Sac's 2015 Chiefs Mock Draft

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I like Ereck Flowers more than I do La'el Collins. You guys are short-changing Flowers, yet seem to have blinders on when it comes to Collins. I'm not sure Collins can play tackle in the NFL on either side. I at least have confidence Flowers can play right tackle.

It's not a great year for tackles, they all have flaws. Pretty similar to the year Fisher was drafted actually. Only good thing is some of these guys have solid right tackle ability. There are more good looking guard prospects in the tackle class than there are tackles.

And if the Chiefs draft Arik ****ing Armstead, I'm going to cry. He sucks. If the game against Ohio State was any indication, he's going to get destroyed in the NFL until he learns to do something besides run into the chest of blockers.

Pretty well agree with you on Armstead and Flowers, though I do think La'el is a good OL option that can quickly handle RT.

[jonzie04]

i might cry a little if this is how our draft goes. we have 3 quality starters at DE in Devito, Bailey, and Howard and another guy with a high celing in Catapano. we have 2 quality starters at safety in abdullah, and parker. a borderline all pro when healthy tyvon branch, and of course an actual all pro in berry, who could return, nobody really knows...

Eric Rowe is a much better safety than corner, and his man coverage skills are suspect.


i like miller, but i dont think we need a guard at all. grubbs at one spot. and we have a nice amount of comp at the other spot. and fulton didn't do that bad last season. edit: just read you planned to move miller to center.. not sure how i feel about that. could work.

i also feel RT is a hole that needs to be addressed, and you didn't draft a single one.

i do like the rest of the picks, but disliking 3/4 first picks ruined the whole draft for me.

[redshirt32]

If free agency is any indication of how crazy and desperate some of these owners GMs and Coaches are we are in good shape at 18.

All its going to take is a few teams if Gordon Gurley, a 3rd QB, or any combo of 3 players go before we pick it pushes a better player to us.

Not real crazy about any player after about the 14 pick in the first round, and a trade down would not hurt my feeling one bit if we can pick up an extra 3.

[O.city]

I'm coming around on the idea of Devin smith in the first round.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm coming around on the idea of Devin smith in the first round.

Jesus Christ...

He only ran one route in college with suspect hands. No ****ing way.

And crow, please stop with Flowers. Have you watched him play? Have you seen his feet? His horrific kick slide? I'm not kidding you, he might have the worst feet I've ever seen from a purported high graded tackle.



I'm not kidding. I can't watch more than three snaps without going ****ing ape shit about how bad his feet and lateral agility is/are. WORST. EVER.

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm coming around on the idea of Devin smith in the first round.

Not a big fan. Would rather have Dorsett in the 2nd or 3rd if you are looking for solely a deep threat. My favorites are Agholor and Lockett. Lockett is a legit 4.3 guy who gets soooo much seperation. He would make Alex a lot more tolerable

[O.city]

Yes, but he was extremely good at that one route. I'm more on the "figure out what he does well, let him do that while he learns".

I think too many times it's about what a guy can't do. Look at what he can do, put him in spots he excels in, and don't try to fit every player into a cookie cutter mold of what a prospect has to be

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, but he was extremely good at that one route. I'm more on the "figure out what he does well, let him do that while he learns".

I think too many times it's about what a guy can't do. Look at what he can do, put him in spots he excels in, and don't try to fit every player into a cookie cutter mold of what a prospect has to be

I agree, but the problem is that at that point these players tend to program themselves into their game. Dwayne Bowe, Donnie Avery...guys who were never asked to be anything more than what they were in college are the same guys in the pros.

I'm worried about a guy like Devin Smith in that regard versus a guy like Odell Beckham last season. Beckham just ran routes. Worked on it all the time. It's why he was my fav last year for the Chiefs because he took route running to an art form. This offense needs that. In this draft, Lockett is like that. McBride is like that. Greene is like that.

I'm not so sure that Devin Smith is going to be anything more than a fly pattern dude even at the next level.

This team needs a guy who's going to step in and be a contributor as the #2 dude. They've got a speed project in Albert Wilson. I'm not sure what Devin Smith gives you over him at this point.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I agree, but the problem is that at that point these players tend to program themselves into their game. Dwayne Bowe, Donnie Avery...guys who were never asked to be anything more than what they were in college are the same guys in the pros.

I'm worried about a guy like Devin Smith in that regard versus a guy like Odell Beckham last season. Beckham just ran routes. Worked on it all the time. It's why he was my fav last year for the Chiefs because he took route running to an art form. This offense needs that. In this draft, Lockett is like that. McBride is like that. Greene is like that.

I'm not so sure that Devin Smith is going to be anything more than a fly pattern dude even at the next level.

This team needs a guy who's going to step in and be a contributor as the #2 dude. They've got a speed project in Albert Wilson. I'm not sure what Devin Smith gives you over him at this point.

See but I think smith can right away in that as the x here he's going to be asked to basically do what DeSean Jackson Does. I think he can step in and do that right away.

I think wilson ultimately is a better fit in the slot anyway and with Wilson, Maclin and Smith you get a really dynamic wr core.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

See but I think smith can right away in that as the x here he's going to be asked to basically do what DeSean Jackson Does. I think he can step in and do that right away.

I think wilson ultimately is a better fit in the slot anyway and with Wilson, Maclin and Smith you get a really dynamic wr core.

Agree. Wilson will be the starting slot, which in the WCO is the most important receiver after the Z anyhow. Smith's ability to take the top off a defense is a plus the team can use right away. His ability underneath is underrated. He's a very solid router runner.

[kccrow]

Sac, I've actually watched Flowers closely in about 8 or 9 games. Sorry, we'll disagree on him all offseason and I'm okay with that. Same way you and I see Collins differently I think. I won't bitch if KC drafts Collins because if he doesn't work at right tackle, at least he should make a very good guard.

For me, Flowers is a very good right tackle prospect that "might" be able to play left tackle.

As for Devin Smith, the guy can run more than one route well, he just didn't get much exposure on those with the QBs and the offense. Without question the type of receiver that is on Reid's radar. Reportedly was outstanding in running routes at the Senior Bowl, combine, and pro day. We'll see, but I've watched enough of him to know he can run the full tree. Buckeye's used him deep alot, and how can you blame them when he was the best deep receiver in college football? Only problems I have with Smith is his occasional lapse in concentration on the football through the catch and his run blocking, which is horrendous.

[Saccopoo]

Fair enough on both accounts.

[O.city]

Although as sacks said, it's gonna depend what they want in the first.

Because I think Greene or agholor can do the same things for the chiefs next year.

the hope I'd imagine is that parker would fall to 18. That seems to simplify It.

Based on what the talking heads are saying, the tackle class seems to be lacking so I dunno about that

[O.city]

My biggest qualm with Lockett or Dorsett os thay I dunno that they can play on the outside in the league.

Agholor is my choice in the 2nd but he may not be there

[kccrow]

Agholor is a bit overrated in my mind, I actually prefer Tre McBride to him. I think Agholor is a slot only guy. Lockett is a guy I really like, as is Justin Hardy and Rashad Greene, but all of these guys are slot players.

I really like that Albert Wilson kid and I think he's going to be dynamite from the slot. The Chiefs really need that other outside receiver.

I like Devin Smith, I like Tre McBride, I like Kenny Bell a bit in that role too. I like Breshad Perriman too. We'll see, but not every receiver fits into that hole KC has.

I'm not saying I'll bitch if the Chiefs draft ANY of the above, I'm just talking fit and void.