***** Official 2016/2017 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread *****

[saphojunkie]

Now with 800% more crapshoot!

Roster:

Spoiler!

RETURNING PLAYERS:
Frank Mason, sr.
Landen Lucas, sr.
Devonte Graham, jr.
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, jr.
Dwight Coleby, jr.
Carlton Bragg, soph.
Legerald Vick, sop.
Tyler Self, sr.
Clay Young, RS JR.

INCOMING PLAYERS:
Josh Jackson - Rivals #1 player, ESPN100 #3 overall player



Udoka Azubuike, fr.



Mitch Lightfoot, fr.


Evan Maxwell, jr. (sits out year due to transfer rules)

Malik Newman, RSSOPH (sits out year due to transfer rules)

SCHEDULE

Spoiler!

WASHBURN (EXH.)
TUE, NOVEMBER 1
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE

VS. EMPORIA STATE (EXH)
MON, NOVEMBER 7
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE

ARMED FORCES CLASSIC
INDIANA
FRI, NOVEMBER 11
HONOLULU, HAWAII JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM
STATE FARM CHAMPIONS CLASSIC

CHAMPIONS CLASSIC
DUKE
TUE, NOVEMBER 15
NEW YORK, N.Y. MADISON SQUARE GARDEN

VS. SIENA
FRI, NOVEMBER 18
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE

CBE HALL OF FAME CLASSIC

MON, NOVEMBER 21 TBA
TUE, NOVEMBER 22 TBA
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

VS. UNC ASHEVILLE
FRI, NOVEMBER 25
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE

VS. LONG BEACH STATE
TUE, NOVEMBER 29
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE

VS. STANFORD
SAT, DECEMBER 3
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE

VS. UMKC
TUE, DECEMBER 6
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE

VS. NEBRASKA
SAT, DECEMBER 10
LAWRENCE, KAN. ALLEN FIELDHOUSE
JAYHAWK SHOOTOUT

DAVIDSON
SAT, DECEMBER 17
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

@ UNLV
THU, DECEMBER 22
LAS VEGAS, NEV. THOMAS & MACK CENTER
SONIC SEC/BIG 12 CHALLENGE

BIG12/SEC CHALLENGE
@ KENTUCKY
SAT, JANUARY 28
LEXINGTON, KY RUPP ARENA TV: ESPN/2/U

CONFERENCE SCHEDULE TBA

PHILLIPS 66 BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP
FIRST ROUND
WED, MARCH 8
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

QUARTERFINALS
THU, MARCH 9
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

SEMIFINALS
FRI, MARCH 10
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

FINAL
SAT, MARCH 11
KANSAS CITY, MO. SPRINT CENTER

NCAA MEN'S BASKELL CHAMPIONSHIP

FIRST ROUND
THU, MARCH 16 - FRI, MARCH 17


SECOND ROUND
SAT, MARCH 18 - SUN, MARCH 19


SWEET SIXTEEN
THU, MARCH 23 - FRI, MARCH 24


ELITE EIGHT
SAT, MARCH 25 - SUN, MARCH 26


FINAL FOUR - GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM
FINAL FOUR
SAT, APRIL 1

NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
MON, APRIL 3
GLENDALE, ARIZ. UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX STADIUM

Notable dates:

Late Night in the Phog
Oct 1 6:30 PM
Allen Fieldhouse
Students enter at 4:30PM, general public at 5:00 PM

Champions Classic:
Nov 15, 2016 - Madison Square Garden. KU vs. Duke

CBE Hall of Fame Classic:
semis & finals at Sprint Center in KC.
Nov 21 - 22 (early games date & time ).

Armed Forces Classic
Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickham, Hawai`i: Nov. 11 (ESPN)
Indiana vs. Kansas
Arizona vs. Michigan State

BIG 12/SEC CHALLENGE
Kansas vs. Kentucky
Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY
Jan 28, 2017



Let's go get Lucky 13. And a damn National Championship.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by sedated

So a win on Saturday wraps up the conference title?

Pretty much. If not we have to take care of a few other games.

[Reerun_KC]

3-2 over last 5 pretty much does Baylor in....

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Romosexual

that's meaningless to a lot of these kids ...

free education sounds great to you or me ... but to some of these kids, like Derrick Rose, who never even received or cared about a proper high school education ... what does 4 years of 'going through motions' and taking fake classes so the university and the NCAA can exploit your talents do?

It's very hard to discuss these issues with this board because this board has a really tough time putting themselves into the shoes of an 18 year old kid from the inner cities who has 1 thing going for them in life (basketball) - and then trying to justify 'free college!' like its payment for the MULTI-BILLIONS they are making the NCAA with their unpaid labor.

It's offensive.

Free Room and Board and Education is part of the compensation. It's not the NCAA's fault the kids don't give half a ****. When I was at Cabela's they had a daycare program. I didn't give a ****. I didn't have kids at the time. Doesn't change the fact that Daycare was part of the compensation package.

And they can do the Europe thing like Brandon Jennings (IIRC) did.

Fact is, it isn't the NCAA's responsibility to pay these kids NBA salaries, because of the NBA's arbitrary rules.

And if you're going to pay a basketball player 100,000, are you going to pay every member of the rowing team 100,000 too? It's not in the cards. And you can't base it off the revenue generated by the program, or Alabama would get the top 100 football recruits then the next 100 would go to whichever program could funnel enough money into their programs from some creative accounting.

It's just not in the cards man.

I'm with you on coaches bailing but kids have to sit a year to transfer. They need to have an exemption for following the coach.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by sedated

So a win on Saturday wraps up the conference title?

God that would be great!

Let's get one more Scott Drew ownership game in!

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by Romosexual

that's meaningless to a lot of these kids ...

free education sounds great to you or me ... but to some of these kids, like Derrick Rose, who never even received or cared about a proper high school education ... what does 4 years of 'going through motions' and taking fake classes so the university and the NCAA can exploit your talents do?

It's very hard to discuss these issues with this board because this board has a really tough time putting themselves into the shoes of an 18 year old kid from the inner cities who has 1 thing going for them in life (basketball) - and then trying to justify 'free college!' like its payment for the MULTI-BILLIONS they are making the NCAA with their unpaid labor.

It's offensive.

And then said player puts it right back into the comunity. (sp)

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Romosexual

that's meaningless to a lot of these kids ...

free education sounds great to you or me ... but to some of these kids, like Derrick Rose, who never even received or cared about a proper high school education ... what does 4 years of 'going through motions' and taking fake classes so the university and the NCAA can exploit your talents do?

It's very hard to discuss these issues with this board because this board has a really tough time putting themselves into the shoes of an 18 year old kid from the inner cities who has 1 thing going for them in life (basketball) - and then trying to justify 'free college!' like its payment for the MULTI-BILLIONS they are making the NCAA with their unpaid labor.

It's offensive.

It's offensive that a player regardless of talent level doesnt afford himself of the education he can get. The NCAA and colleges shouldnt admit someone who cannot read or write, but alas, the system is not perfect.

You cannot say 'pay the players' and at the same time not consider the ramifications. With Title IX, you have a situation where every Michael Jordan, or Paul Pierce deserves the 'pay', these colleges would have to pay every Sally Johnson the same amount for their participation in the 800m relay. There's no meritocracy in a government run system and every college gets government money.

I empathize, but if you want to play you get an education, period. It's called paying your dues, and every working schlub knows that in every respect of life regardless how good you are at your craft. You start out low and work your way up.

[Chiefspants]

The ethical solution here, I think, is for the NFL and NBA to offer D-leagues that draft players straight from high school. Mark Cuban called for this a while ago.

If players aren't talented enough to make it to the pros, then they can have a full ride and sharpen their skills in NCAA competitions.

The NCAA would likely hate this as much as paying their players, as a league with superior competition could compete with them for ratings and the quality of their games would potentially diminish.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

The ethical solution here, I think, is for the NFL and NBA to offer D-leagues that draft players straight from high school. Mark Cuban called for this a while ago.

If players aren't talented enough to make it to the pros, then they can have a full ride and sharpen their skills in NCAA competitions.

The NCAA would likely hate this as much as paying their players, as a league with superior competition could compete with them for ratings and the quality of their games would greatly diminish.

I think that's a good idea...but in no way would it impact March Madness. The NCAA has to be confident in it's student athletes to produce a compelling competition above any sort of D League competition or championship because a media company would have to expose it first, and that's a challenge to go up against an established March Madness.

[Hootie]

the offensive thing is you think an education matters do a kid like Derrick Rose

me and you would CHERISH a free education

but we received 12 years of great education before college ... and it was important to us

what's offensive is the fact you think the rowing team deserves to be compensated like a basketball or football player ... life isn't fair. Basketball and football generates all the revenue. They get all the profits. Period. Not fair? Play basketball and stop rowing.

The NCAA is a huge ****ing sham. I like watching KU as much as the next but I'm not naive enough to think these kids aren't being grossly exploited.

Is what it is.

[Hootie]

the 'free educated' and 'room and board' argument is embarrassing and a total cop out

CBS spends billions every year to exploit free labor ...

embarrassing

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Romosexual

the offensive thing is you think an education matters do a kid like Derrick Rose

me and you would CHERISH a free education

but we received 12 years of great education before college ... and it was important to us

what's offensive is the fact you think the rowing team deserves to be compensated like a basketball or football player ... life isn't fair. Basketball and football generates all the revenue. They get all the profits. Period. Not fair? Play basketball and stop rowing.

The NCAA is a huge ****ing sham. I like watching KU as much as the next but I'm not naive enough to think these kids aren't being grossly exploited.

Is what it is.

I don't expect Derrick Rose to cherish his education. I expect him to understand that the education is his compensation and accept it. He did.

I do taxes in the winter for decent money. It isn't great money. And I certainly don't cherish my wage, but I accept that it is the compensation and I accept it for the work that I do.

So your answer to the inequity between sport is life isn't fair do something else?

Well guess what. Life isn't fair. The option is international or NCAA. Life isn't fair. If you don't like it. Do international.

Moreover, cash value for a year at KU is what 20? 30 with room and board? And guess what? They don't pay any tax on that. 30 is way better than I ever sniffed until I went to grad school. And I had some passive income coming in too.

Sorry man. The outrage isn't there.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Romosexual

the 'free educated' and 'room and board' argument is embarrassing and a total cop out

CBS spends billions every year to exploit free labor ...

embarrassing

Life isn't fair. Play international. Which coincidentally Graham is considering. Sooooo...

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Romosexual

in today's climate? Crazy. Josh Jackson is 1 'being a kid' incident in today's snapchat social media climate away from armageddon ... go get drafted and start making your money ASAP. Same with Graham. These kids don't owe anybody anything ...

I didn't say they owed anyone anything. My point was that going league, or leaving to make a paycheck overseas, can actually hurt their earnings potential over the course of their entire career. I listed some recent examples, but I will give one from the end of the Roy Williams era. Drew Gooden is probably the best rebounder in KU history behind Wilt and Danny. He led the nation in rebounding his junior year (iirc) helped KU reach the Final Four, and even picked up some hardware for POY.

He declared after that junior year, and was the 4th overall pick. He did not have an NBA ready body. His offensive game and Roy's offense meshed very well together. But he has been with 9 or 10 different NBA teams, and has been relegated to the D-League at times. Did he make money, sure, but did he make the maximum for his level of talent? I think the answer is clearly no.

His teammates for 3 years were Kirk Hinrich and Nick Collison. They came back for their senior year, made another Final Four, received AA honors like Gooden, and Nick picked up the same hardware for POY.

While not necessarily all-stars, they have played their entire careers in the League. Collison has spent his entire career with the Sonics/Thunder, and has definitely maxed out his earnings capability. Hinrich spent a large part of his career with the Bulls, and also maxed out his earning potential.

But while at KU, imho, Gooden was better than both Collison and Hinrich. He left early, and they didn't. He got paid upfront, but over their careers the 4 year kids made more. If Gooden had returned for his senior year, he probably would not have been drafted higher than 4, but he would have been better prepared for the NBA.

For every Paul Pierce there are a lot of Goodens, Seldens, Selbys, Henrys, etc. Quick cash is great, but more cash is better. But every kid's situation is different, and it takes courage, and self awareness, to not do what's expected, but to do what's better in the long run.

TRob is one of my favorite Jayhawks. He had a lot of unfortunate things happen during his time at KU. His little sister's college was taken care of thanks to the kindness people showed him after the passing of his mother, which was his 3rd loss in a relatively short time. He could have stayed for his senior year. And if he had, maybe he would be a successful NBA player, instead of trade filler.

I to be fair, I stated that my belief that Josh Jackson returning could benefit his career earnings potential was ridiculous.

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[Prison Bitch]

Awesome discussion. Not. Who gives a shit about college pay? This topic has been beaten to death and there is nothing new that's come out recently.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

The ethical solution here, I think, is for the NFL and NBA to offer D-leagues that draft players straight from high school. Mark Cuban called for this a while ago.

If players aren't talented enough to make it to the pros, then they can have a full ride and sharpen their skills in NCAA competitions.

The NCAA would likely hate this as much as paying their players, as a league with superior competition could compete with them for ratings and the quality of their games would potentially diminish.

Ding ding ding!

The DLeague just requires a player be 18 if I remember correctly, but they aren't going to get drafted or have any type of large contract with guaranteed money. If they get closer to the baseball side of things to give a platform for players to develop and actually earn at the same time without age restrictions on the NBA it gives the best of all worlds for the players. This allows the elites (lebron, etc) to go straight to the league if they really are ready.