Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 141

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

OKchiefs · 11-15-2018, 03:35 PM

Joey Bosa (foot) was noncommittal when asked about his status for Week 11 against the Broncos.

"It’s really not decided yet," he said during Thursday's media availability. "We’re continuing with the plan, and that’s to practice this week. We’ll assess it and see how it feels on Sunday." Bosa has described his recent workouts as "intense," though he might need another week of practice before he's in game condition. Either way, the stud pass-rusher should be back very soon.
Source: Ryan Kartje on Twitter

At least Bosa has a plan and a timeline. Eric Berry is such a ****ing chump.

CervezaChill · 11-15-2018, 03:37 PM

Who's going to play first..Ryan Shazier or Eric Berry.

Chiefspants · 11-15-2018, 03:38 PM

I think Berry definitely improves our Super Bowl odds even if he's at 80% capacity. I sincerely hope the Chiefs are right and he's back for the playoffs.

Berry is also my favorite player on the team. You can't find a player with that story.

With that said... if I'm reading the tea leaves and his health is a question for the third year in a row on his contract, then the Chiefs likely will need to make a hard decision this offseason - shoutout to Sapho for that excellent breakdown.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-15-2018, 03:43 PM

Bosa was rumored to PLAY in week 1 you dumbsumbitch

OKchiefs · 11-15-2018, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I think tomorrow’s a big milestone.

The first prediction was that he was being saved for the Jags game.
It’s now moved to the Rams game.
Some say he’ll be saved for the playoffs.

If he misses the Rams game (and we lose in a shootout) I expect the scrutiny will be up by ten fold.

Nope, plenty on here are thrilled to continue blowing Berry and truly believe he is day to day.

OKchiefs · 11-15-2018, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Bosa was rumored to PLAY in week 1 you dumbsumbitch

We've heard 100x more about the Bosa injury than we ever have about Berry, and Bosa has actually spoken to the media. Berry continues to haunt the sidelines looking like a hobo without saying a word.

carcosa · 11-15-2018, 03:52 PM

THis thread isn't very nice

-King- · 11-15-2018, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Joey Bosa (foot) was noncommittal when asked about his status for Week 11 against the Broncos.

"It’s really not decided yet," he said during Thursday's media availability. "We’re continuing with the plan, and that’s to practice this week. We’ll assess it and see how it feels on Sunday." Bosa has described his recent workouts as "intense," though he might need another week of practice before he's in game condition. Either way, the stud pass-rusher should be back very soon.
Source: Ryan Kartje on Twitter

At least Bosa has a plan and a timeline. Eric Berry is such a ****ing chump.

I can't quite get a read on you regarding this situation. How do you really feel about it? You haven't made your feelings clear.
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ThaVirus · 11-15-2018, 04:08 PM

"WHAT!?! He's not practicing again? I'm done with him. DONE!"

posts the same ****ing thing a week later

-King- · 11-15-2018, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

"WHAT!?! He's not practicing again? I'm done with him. DONE!"

posts the same ****ing thing a week later

Posted via Mobile Device

carcosa · 11-15-2018, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

I can't quite get a read on you regarding this situation. How do you really feel about it? You haven't made your feelings clear.
Posted via Mobile Device

the rich black man won't dance for him

**MahiMike** · 11-15-2018, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I'm going to assume that everyone who doesn't compliment my Eric Berry salary cap breakdown is either too dumb to get it or simply too engrossed in jerking off to my excellence.

It was well thought out. Thanks for the work. I just tend to glaze over on the salary cap stuff. That goes past fandom and moves into GM wannabe status.

Besides I got a D in business accounting. I learned enough to know how to hire it out.

OKchiefs · 11-15-2018, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa

the rich black man won't dance for him

Always some dumbass bringing race or jealousy into the argument. Don't you have something better to do than race baiting?

arrwheader · 11-15-2018, 04:58 PM

Well hate to break it to all of you but EB ain’t coming back. So much for the “November Return” that was rumored. This is all a PR stunt just to say “hey we are good to our players look at what we did for Berry.” Equally for our fan base as well as the NFL doesn’t care about players crowd. He’s done, they know it and they are just trying to get what little they can out of him but not IRing him and having him on the sidelines to coach or whatever.

That doesn’t piss me off what pisses me off is keeping all coy about it just say it and end the speculation. They may have gotten teams to prepare for him early on but at this point they know he ain’t playing.

RunKC · 11-15-2018, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

We've heard 100x more about the Bosa injury than we ever have about Berry, and Bosa has actually spoken to the media. Berry continues to haunt the sidelines looking like a hobo without saying a word.

And what exactly is it that you want to hear from him that we don’t already know?

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1626899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. 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arrwheader Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $2896613	Well hate to break it to all of you but EB ain’t coming back. So much for the “November Return” that was rumored. This is all a PR stunt just to say “hey we are good to our players look at what we did for Berry.” Equally for our fan base as well as the NFL doesn’t care about players crowd. He’s done, they know it and they are just trying to get what little they can out of him but not IRing him and having him on the sidelines to coach or whatever. That doesn’t piss me off what pisses me off is keeping all coy about it just say it and end the speculation. They may have gotten teams to prepare for him early on but at this point they know he ain’t playing.
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