Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93

[Direckshun]

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by penbook

True but Hali is a guy we need.

Hali has a huge contract and is 29 or 30..he's about done.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm sure he'd be fine as a 2 down thumper ILB that doesn't play in passing downs.

Or Brad Jones from Green Bay he is a guy who I want here.

[saphojunkie]

I really hope we land Nico Johnson in the third or fourth round. I think he's absolutely perfect for this defense and is the quintessential value pick.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Why are The Planet & KK saying Geno is the next combo of Manning/Brady/RGIII while the rest of the NFL draft experts are saying there are no great QB prospects?

Here we ****ing go again.

Nobody said that. Ever. Quit making shit up.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hali has a huge contract and is 29 or 30..he's about done.

Name me somebody right now who is better than Hali who plays his position and is on the open market.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think (potentially) aggressively moving your 1, your 2 and maybe next year's 2 to give your team a brand new QB depth chart of everybody's dream option of a steady-ish vet and a high-upside youngster, would be a phenomenal coup for the Chiefs.

It would mean they landed the best veteran QB on the market in Smith, and the best rookie QB on the market in Geno.

This franchise needs a sea change, much like Herm's sea change in 2006 when he declared a turn away from veterans and a turn towards the NFL Draft and a youth revolution. That revolution still guides this team to this day.

I think Reid's game, should he actually pull this off, could guide future decisions for this franchise for a couple decades, and finally snap the castoff curse.

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Joe Montana was a proven 4 time Super Bowl winning QB. He was the best of a generation and maybe the best of all time. After the Chiefs tried DeBerg, Krieg, Elkins and Blundin, this was a move to put them at the head of the class of the AFC and bring home a championship.

Now, if the Chiefs had acquired Peyton Manning, that comparison would be valid. If the Chiefs had acquired Aaron Rodgers or Eli Manning or Tom Brady, those comparisons would be valid.

But Alex Smith? Geno Smith?



Alex Smith is a stop gap QB that brings experience as a starter. Geno Smith is an unproven rookie.

Smith and Smith do not equal, in any way, shape or form, Joe Montana.

No.

[BossChief]

Let's say they restructure Jackson and bring in Jenkins or Canty...sign a vet corner.

It should be interesting to see what Baldwin does, going forward, too.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by penbook

Name me somebody right now who is better than Hali who plays his position and is on the open market.

Not really on the open market but if you draft Dion Jordan it's an indication you're getting ready to move on.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hali has a huge contract and is 29 or 30..he's about done.

I'm really tired of this misconception that age 30 is a cutoff for all NFL players.

Look, people. The 30 year old thing was for RUNNING BACKS. Somehow, over the past couple of years, people have started using that on every position in the NFL. Any player 30 years old is "washed up" or "almost done."

It's not true, it's not accurate, and it's really myopic.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Joe Montana was a proven 4 time Super Bowl winning QB. He was the best of a generation and maybe the best of all time. After the Chiefs tried DeBerg, Krieg, Elkins and Blundin, this was a move to put them at the head of the class of the AFC and bring home a championship.

Now, if the Chiefs had acquired Peyton Manning, that comparison would be valid. If the Chiefs had acquired Aaron Rodgers or Eli Manning or Tom Brady, those comparisons would be valid.

But Alex Smith? Geno Smith?



Alex Smith is a stop gap QB that brings experience as a starter. Geno Smith is an unproven rookie.

Smith and Smith do not equal, in any way, shape or form, Joe Montana.

No.

Fair enough.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Let's say they restructure Jackson and bring in Jenkins or Canty...sign a vet corner.

It should be interesting to see what Baldwin does, going forward, too.

Baldwin could move to tight end and you bring in a brian hartline.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm sure he'd be fine as a 2 down thumper ILB that doesn't play in passing downs.

He's not a good player. The Chiefs are better off waiting until more ILBs shake loose. Given the cap situations this year, there should be a few worth bringing in.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Here we ****ing go again.

Nobody said that. Ever. Quit making shit up.

Direckshun believes that Alex Smith and Geno Smith equals the Joe Montana acquisition.

So yes, people are saying a LOT of stupid shit.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I'm really tired of this misconception that age 30 is a cutoff for all NFL players.

Look, people. The 30 year old thing was for RUNNING BACKS. Somehow, over the past couple of years, people have started using that on every position in the NFL. Any player 30 years old is "washed up" or "almost done."

It's not true, it's not accurate, and it's really myopic.

Thank You. Derrick Johnson hes over 30 and he doesnt suck.

Yes Dion Jordan could be interesting but as of right now Hali is better.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I'm really tired of this misconception that age 30 is a cutoff for all NFL players.

Look, people. The 30 year old thing was for RUNNING BACKS. Somehow, over the past couple of years, people have started using that on every position in the NFL. Any player 30 years old is "washed up" or "almost done."

It's not true, it's not accurate, and it's really myopic.

He did have lowered production last year.