Is the NFL and its refs out to "get us"?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

This... want to win back fans and create better ratings? Last night's game is the way to go. All this whining about refs and conspiracy theories is crazy. I think it's a product of a decade plus of agony, quite honestly. Things are changing in KC and you now have the 'elite QB'. If you read the comments around here, no team is more consistently screwed by the NFL than KC... and KC never gets good calls. It's just not true. Bad calls are pretty evenly distibuted.

The officiating in general is medicore and inconsistent around the league. I think fans of any team will say that. But the whackjobs around here that think the NFL is conspiring every week to keep the poor Chiefs down... when we have an MVP type player and a circus offense that puts on shows like we saw last night and drives ratings... makes no sense, it's really nuts. It's embarrassing for the fan base and makes us look like a bunch of low football IQ yokels.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Why would the NFL not want the Chiefs to be in the Super Bowl? Mahomes is a money making machine. He is literally must watch TV.

Putting Brady in the SB again will be boring. I can see the Steelers maybe because they have such a strong fanbase and some exciting players.

Do you really think that if the NFL is rigged, they wouldn’t want a historical game like last night as their finale?

I don’t think people realize how much ****ing money Mahomes made these goddamn owners last night.

The Chiefs now have a "golden boy" and I think a Super Bowl is definitely in his future.Last night was a regular season game and a feel good win for LA victims.

Hell whose to say KC only has these two losses by 3 points each and then gets revenge,if you will,in the postseason on both the Pats and Rams.

[Mile High Mania]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/media...efs/index.html

11.3 overnight rating for ESPN. That's the best overnight rating for "Monday Night Football" since 2014.

Monday night's ratings were up more than 57% from last year's week 11 match-up, which was between the Atlanta Falcons and the Seattle Seahawks.

[Hammock Parties]

The Rams right tackle was allowed to false start 13 times last night with no penalty.

There is definitely a conspiracy.

We will need Mahomes to be 10% better to defeat it.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

A conspiracy at least implies that the NFL's officiating crew has a clue what they're doing.

If this was the best of the best the NFL has to offer, with no bias and no attempt to tip the scales, then holy shit the NFL should be ashamed and embarrassed.

[displacedinMN]

Maybe refs today just suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[suzzer99]

I don't know man. It sure bugged me that a) bring in "all-star" refs, b) literally every single big call went against us for the first half - many of them ticky tack. The second half seemed a lot more equitable to me.

If there was some riggage it would seem to be to the effect of "The only thing we don't want is a Chiefs blowout." So once they got us playing from behind they backed off the ticky-tack penalties on every play.

Again, I really hope this isn't true. But man. The NFL knows they have first and foremost an entertainment product, they know LA fans are fickle and they DESPERATELY want to keep them engaged.

Didn't Tim Donaghy come out and say that refs Stern brought in for the Lakers/Kings game six were explicitly called in to rig the game? The refs called a foul on the Kings on almost every play, and almost everyone, even sober pundits, thinks that game was legitimately rigged. Donaghy said they didn't even have to communicate the riggage - as they refs knew what the league wanted when they brought them in for just that game. So the "all star" refs are really just "Goodell's boys" and they know they'll continue to be rewarded if they play ball (as the NBA guys were "Stern's boys" in Donaghy's terms).

Here's the story:

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

Although no teams are specifically named, it is not hard to deduce the game in question. The Lakers-Kings series was the only one that postseason that went seven games, and the officiating in Game 6 was so questionable that consumer advocate and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader called for a formal investigation.

The Lakers attempted 40 free throws to the Kings' 25 in that game, and Los Angeles made 21 of 27 from the line while Sacramento converted 7 of 9 in the fourth quarter alone.

In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket. Also in that game, Kings centers Vlade Divac and Scot Pollard fouled out, and Kings coach Rick Adelman was highly critical of the officiating afterward.

"My first thought [upon hearing Donaghy's allegation] was: I knew it," Pollard said Tuesday night. "I'm not going to say there was a conspiracy. I just think something wasn't right. It was unfair. We didn't have a chance to win that game."

Sure feels like that. Except not as blatant. They didn't need the Rams to win, just wanted to make sure we didn't jump out to a big lead and not blow them out.

Again - I sure hope this isn't really true.

But I also remember "holding Dave Szott" as like the worst sports-fandom play of my life, and start to wonder. Golden Boy Marino, Miami big market, still in Shula glow. No one's ever seen a replay of that hold.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I don't know man. It sure bugged me that a) bring in "all-star" refs, b) literally every single big call went against us for the first half - many of them ticky tack. The second half seemed a lot more equitable to me.

If there was some riggage it would seem to be to the effect of "The only thing we don't want is a Chiefs blowout." So once they got us playing from behind they backed off the ticky-tack penalties on every play.

Again, I really hope this isn't true. But man. The NFL knows they have first and foremost an entertainment product, they know LA fans are fickle and they DESPERATELY want to keep them engaged.

Didn't Tim Donaghy come out and say that refs Stern brought in for the Lakers/Kings game six were explicitly called in to rig the game? The refs called a foul on the Kings on almost every play, and almost everyone, even sober pundits, thinks that game was legitimately rigged. Donaghy said they didn't even have to communicate the riggage - as they refs knew what the league wanted when they brought them in for just that game. So the "all star" refs are really just "Goodell's boys" and they know they'll continue to be rewarded if they play ball (as the NBA guys were "Stern's boys" in Donaghy's terms).

Sure feels like that. Except not as blatant. They didn't need the Rams to win, just wanted to make sure we didn't jump out to a big lead and not blow them out.

Again - I sure hope this isn't really true.

But I also remember "holding Dave Szott" as like the worst sports-fandom play of my life, and start to wonder. Golden Boy Marino, Miami big market, still in Shula glow. No one's ever seen a replay of that hold.

This.

[Easy 6]

I'm gonna say yes, the league wanted LA to get this one

Egregiously ticky-tack defensive backfield calls against us
Multiple obvious false starts by their RT uncalled
Suh cheapshots Mahomes uncalled
Peters takes helmet off uncalled
Dee Ford gets a chokehold

Thats just a few off the top of my head, how could a supposed all star crew be that bad if not on purpose?

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm gonna say yes, the league wanted LA to get this one

Egregiously ticky-tack defensive backfield calls against us
Multiple obvious false starts by their RT uncalled
Suh cheapshots Mahomes uncalled
Peters takes helmet off uncalled
Dee Ford gets a chokehold

Thats just a few off the top of my head, how could a supposed all star crew be that bad if not on purpose?

And what was the point of that "All Star" crew? Beats the hell out of me. They were some of the worst I have seen this year. All that you mentioned above happened. No conspiracy there...almost like the NFL had the outcome of the game determined all along and the Chiefs (damn them ) almost destroyed their "pity party" for Los Angeles.....

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Randallflagg

And what was the point of that "All Star" crew? Beats the hell out of me. They were some of the worst I have seen this year. All that you mentioned above happened. No conspiracy there...almost like the NFL had the outcome of the game determined all along and the Chiefs (damn them ) almost destroyed their "pity party" for Los Angeles.....

The move didnt make any sense, it was unprecedented

I wanna see those Ram mother****ers again down in Atlanta...

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

The move didnt make any sense, it was unprecedented

I wanna see those Ram mother****ers again down in Atlanta...

Indeed. For the life of me, I can't figure out the "all star" referee move. I'm with you, made absolutely no sense to me, either. Didn't make any difference - they were still incompetent for the most part.

Like I said earlier - it was (my opinion) pure marketing in an attempt to build up a fan base and no more than that.

LA will be the center of the football universe when the stadium is built until the first losing season - and yes, there WILL be a losing season. Then? you won't be able to give away tickets.

Hell, as it was, I read somewhere, SI maybe? That they had given away nearly 22,000 tickets to local charities - so the coliseum would look "full"....again, marketing 101.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Randallflagg

Indeed. For the life of me, I can't figure out the "all star" referee move. I'm with you, made absolutely no sense to me, either. Didn't make any difference - they were still incompetent for the most part. .

I think they had a stage with millions of new viewers that would be watching this new offensive style football for the first time. The NFL is wanting this offensive explosion to happen to grow the game. It’s working so far. Fans love the offense. Ratings are up everywhere. They just didn’t want to **** it up with bad officiating. No conspiracy. But, best laid plans of mice and men.......

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm gonna say yes, the league wanted LA to get this one

Egregiously ticky-tack defensive backfield calls against us
Multiple obvious false starts by their RT uncalled
Suh cheapshots Mahomes uncalled
Peters takes helmet off uncalled
Dee Ford gets a chokehold

Thats just a few off the top of my head, how could a supposed all star crew be that bad if not on purpose?

The non block in the back on the punt return. Not only were they missing things right in front of them, they were also making up calls as they went along.