Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 134

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Simply Red · 11-14-2018, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Or just jerking off in general.

well yeah

RINGLEADER · 11-14-2018, 05:05 PM

It would be great if Berry is being "saved" for the playoff run or there is some special "plan" that will see him just jumping in and playing at a Pro Bowl level but at this point I think the Chiefs brain trust is just hoping for a turn for the better and if it happens he'll play. If not, he won't.

NJChiefsFan · 11-14-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

He is the homeless looking dude with the notepad on the sideline.

I can't help but chuckle every time I see that.

saphojunkie · 11-14-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Or just jerking off in general.

Too much time in the Mahomes gif thread.

chinaski · 11-14-2018, 05:18 PM

**notorious** · 11-14-2018, 05:31 PM

All of our pissyness aside, I really am sick about Berry.

He was on a HOF course, possibly be considered one of the greatest ever after the Chiefs win 2-3 rings.

It’s terrible his body let him down. If you think we are upset, imagine how he feels watching this team kick ass and he can’t be out there.

**Bugeater** · 11-14-2018, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I'm going to assume that everyone who doesn't compliment my Eric Berry salary cap breakdown is either too dumb to get it or simply too engrossed in jerking off to my excellence.

It was nice. Thank you.

saphojunkie · 11-14-2018, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

It was nice. Thank you.

YOU'RE NICE

-King- · 11-14-2018, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

All of our pissyness aside, I really am sick about Berry.

He was on a HOF course, possibly be considered one of the greatest ever after the Chiefs win 2-3 rings.

It’s terrible his body let him down. If you think we are upset, imagine how he feels watching this team kick ass and he can’t be out there.

Nah I bet he doesn't even want to play! He just wants to steal money from the Clarks!
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Sofa King · 11-14-2018, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Don't know about smarter than you, but here's how I understand it:

When you sign a player, you are allowed to prorate the financial impact of his signing bonus in even amounts over the life of his contract. When a player retires or is cut or traded, the entire remaining signing bonus money is accelerated to count against the immediate cap. The remedy to this is, of course, the post-June 1 cut, which splits the cap hit over the current and following year, creating dead money.

Right now, Eric Berry's cap hit is scheduled to be $16.5M, with an amortized signing bonus hit of $4M and a base salary of 12.4M. He has $14.95M remaining of his guaranteed money, amortized over the length of his contract. That money would escalate if he were cut pre-June 1 without a post-June 1 designation. That means that cutting Eric Berry outright would essentially save a little over $1.5M on the cap.

HOWEVER

In a this-doesn't-affect-the-team-it's-just-business move, cutting Eric Berry saves $12.4M in cash out of Clark Hunt's pocket (money he would owe Berry on the roster, but hasn't paid, as opposed to signing bonus, which is already paid). That might be worth the move. It won't make your team appreciably better, but it saves you actual dollars you haven't spent yet. In terms of the CAP HIT, you could cut Eric Berry with either a pre-June 1 designation or cut him post-June 1, and prorate the accelerated cap hit over two years, causing his cap hit to drop and become an effective $9.5M savings with $6M in dead money hitting the cap in 2020. That takes his cap number from $16.5M down to $7M, and his cash payout from $12.4M to zero.

In my opinion, if the Chiefs feel that there is any risk of this injury affecting next year, they move on from Berry, and it will assuredly be a post-June 1 designation before next season.

Here's the breakdown:

KEEP BERRY:
$16.5M cap hit
$12.4M of that cap hit is a brand new check to be paid.

CUT BERRY (post June 1):
$6.95M cap hit (9.5M savings 2019)
$4M dead money 2020
$4M dead money 2021

Nice work

GloryDayz · 11-14-2018, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chinaski

That's our Eric Berry!

**chiefforlife** · 11-14-2018, 07:29 PM

That was nice saphojunkie.

Maybe you can help me with this? So Berry has a deformity on his heel, its not a football related injury.
Why couldnt the Chiefs release him with a NON football Injury? Doesnt that get them out of his contract all together?

Titty Meat · 11-14-2018, 07:52 PM

This is some Pioli era level bullshit. Chiefs should have updated everyone on this months ago.

-King- · 11-14-2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This is some Pioli era level bullshit. Chiefs should have updated everyone on this months ago.

Why do they need to do that

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Chiefspants · 11-14-2018, 07:57 PM

I think tomorrow’s a big milestone.

The first prediction was that he was being saved for the Jags game.
It’s now moved to the Rams game.
Some say he’ll be saved for the playoffs.

If he misses the Rams game (and we lose in a shootout) I expect the scrutiny will be up by ten fold.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1616899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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