Your dream 1st/2nd round combo for next week's NFL Draft

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59.

For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock...

Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson
He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth.

Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State
Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL.

Your turn.

[DC.chief]

28 - WJIII

59 - Sterling Shephard

If WJIII is off the board I say we trade back into the 2nd to pick up a 3rd and then grab

Kendall Fuller

Sterling Shephard.

Either way. I want Sterling Shephard

[staylor26]

Yea, Miller in the 1st would be a disaster and there's no chance of that happening.

It's either Corey Coleman or no WR in the 1st IMO.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

1000 times no.

I will not take Braxton Miller in the first and I will not endorse same. It's the same kind of bullshit that had us taking McCluster that early or even Tyson Jackson at 3 overall.

You don't spend that kind of draft capital on a marginal role or a gadget player.

I don't think you get full value if you leave him there, but starting him there and transitioning him outside would.

He could become that edelman type offensive player everyone is looking for, or he could bust pretty hard.

I dint wanna go that way, just that I could see the idea of it

[O.city]

If you take away all the pro day atuff, combine numbers and go by what a guy does on the field, why is sheppard not a 1st rounder?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you take away all the pro day atuff, combine numbers and go by what a guy does on the field, why is sheppard not a 1st rounder?

Because he's a smaller guy without elite speed.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I talked myself into that about 2 weeks ago.

Guards are getting paid almost as much as tackles now. With that being the case, suddenly getting 5 years of premier G play from a 1st round pick is actually solid enough value to consider, especially at the tail end of the 1st.

There's a nightmare scenario for me - the one where Jackson, Apple, Lee, Coleman, Lynch and a few others that I can't recall at the moment are all gone.

In that nightmare scenario, there's a pretty good chance that Whitehair fell to us and in that event, I'd be absolutely fine grabbing him there. The talent works, the fit works and the value works.

It's as 'meh' as a pick gets but it sure does seem like a nice addition.

IMO Mike Thomas is the best WR in the draft and one of HOU or CIN will pick him.
Miller is such a polarizing player. I love his potential, but I really don't see him making that big impact this year. Daniel Jeremiah said he's heard early 2nd Rd talk for him, so that's where I got the idea for him at 28.

I've basically accepted the fact that Eli Apple and WJIII wI'll be long gone by 28. But man idk what to think other than "Dorsey/Andy loves fatties and DL will follow the trend."

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Because he's a smaller guy without elite speed.

If you didn't know his 40 times, would you say he doesn't have elite speed?

From my Oklahoma viewing experience I don't ever remember seeing him and thinking elite speed or lack off is gonna kill him.

Dude gets open and makes catches.

I feel like he's a guy 5 years from now everyone will look back on and he'll be a consistent 1000 yard Emmanuel Saunders type wr.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you didn't know his 40 times, would you say he doesn't have elite speed?

From my Oklahoma viewing experience I don't ever remember seeing him and thinking elite speed or lack off is gonna kill him.

Dude gets open and makes catches.

I feel like he's a guy 5 years from now everyone will look back on and he'll be a consistent 1000 yard Emmanuel Saunders type wr.

Elite? No. Adequate? Absolutely.

I love Shepard, and don't think he would be a huge reach at the end of the 1st, but that's the reason why he isn't unanimously considered a 1st rounder.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you didn't know his 40 times, would you say he doesn't have elite speed?

From my Oklahoma viewing experience I don't ever remember seeing him and thinking elite speed or lack off is gonna kill him.

Dude gets open and makes catches.

I feel like he's a guy 5 years from now everyone will look back on and he'll be a consistent 1000 yard Emmanuel Saunders type wr.

You asked why - that's the answer.

He's a smallish player that doesn't possess elite deep speed. That's going to happen with most shorter guys; without those long legs, it's hard to find a 'pull-away' gear.

It does, however, help with lateral agility and stop/start ability and that shows on the tape. He does have pretty outstanding quickness and plus game speed.

But without that deep speed or premier size, he's never going to be seen as a potential #1 wideout and that's why he's not a first round pick. Teams are rarely going to use a 1st on a guy with slot ceiling. They'd rather take a gamble on a boom/bust guy with the belief that they can iron out his flaws (Doctson springs to mind as a good example).

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Wait...the Chiefs get William Jackson and Vernon Butler in this scenario and you give a wet fart about Denver getting a developmental QB?

That draft won't ever happen as I don't expect either of those players will be available at those spots, but if it did happen, the NFL could unilaterally move Denver up to #1 and give them Goff and the draft would still be a winner for the Chiefs.

Denver getting Prosise in the 3rd would piss me off.

[RunKC]

Let's look at this in a position-by-position evaluation.

CB-WJIII is gone. IMO Eli Apple will be gone as well.
Artie Burns isn't a first round "talent" to me and neither is Kendall Fuller or Xavien Howard. Alexander won't be drafted in Rd 1 from what I'm seeing.
The value is in those 2 players IMO and both will be gone.

WR-Corey Coleman is gone IMO (CIN or HOU). Also think Mike Thomas goes to one of those teams as well.
Treadwell doesn't fit. I believe Will Fuller fits due to speed and screen ability, but he's not the most talented player available to me.
It's hard to see a WR come in and do much this year which makes me shy away from the position.

OL-Whitehair screams C to me with his short arms. He's also got average strengrh (16 bench reps) and I don't think I'd like him this high.
Garnett looks the part, but is he a reach at 28? Ifedi isn't, and I think he's definitely an option.
IMO the value for G is at its peak in round 2. Westerman would be amazing, Boehm (if you see him as a G) is a possibility.
Benenoch is an elite mover who did a great job at G at UCLA, had the best 10
Yard sprint, an under 5 second 40 and a solid 25 bench reps at his pro day. Benenoch is the big sleeper for us in rd 2.

ILB-I severely doubt Lee is there. He plays a premium position that is rare and that will make him extremely valuable.
Ragland is slow and I doubt his coverage ability. Meh.

S-Karl Joeseph is a badass, but do we need one this early? Berry, Parker, Wilson, Brown and Sorenson seem to have that group in line with talent and depth.

The way things are going, it's looking like DL, and Vernon Butler is that guy.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You asked why - that's the answer.

He's a smallish player that doesn't possess elite deep speed. That's going to happen with most shorter guys; without those long legs, it's hard to find a 'pull-away' gear.

It does, however, help with lateral agility and stop/start ability and that shows on the tape. He does have pretty outstanding quickness and plus game speed.

But without that deep speed or premier size, he's never going to be seen as a potential #1 wideout and that's why he's not a first round pick. Teams are rarely going to use a 1st on a guy with slot ceiling. They'd rather take a gamble on a boom/bust guy with the belief that they can iron out his flaws (Doctson springs to mind as a good example).

You don't think sheppard can play outside?

I just hate the process that pushes good football players down because they don't test well in shorts. Sheppard gets open and makes catches. He doesn't have will fuller speed, but if said speed makes fuller a first and sheppard a 2nd, seems bassackwards

[O.city]

I'd take Ragland if he's there.

[O.city]

Also, why is Kalan Reed not getting much love?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Let's look at this in a position-by-position evaluation.


The way things are going, it's looking like DL, and Vernon Butler is that guy.

Then again - trade UP.

Don't take a guy with a dozen similar players that will be available in the 2nd. Use next year's third and a little more if necessary to move UP and get a legitimate 1st round talent.

This board is always so fascinated with trading down to get a bunch of late round picks (half of whom bust entirely with the remainder being JAGS).

Go get your guy. This is a team on the cusp of a championship and 3 'meh' players won't do nearly as much as one ideal fit. Go get that ideal fit.