Fivehead Manning: least clutch QB in NFL history?

[GoChargers]

1997 regular season – Manning is dominant in his final season for the Tennessee Volunteers, passing for 36 TD, 11 INT while leading the team to 32.9 PPG in the tough SEC. The best QB in college football finishes No. 2 in the Heisman voting, behind triple-theat performer Charles Woodson.

1997 postseason – Manning produces just a single TD through three quarters and is benched in the fourth quarter as the talent-laden No. 3 Volunteers get smoked by Nebraska, 42-17. Manning completes 21 of 31 for 131 yards, a dismal 4.2 YPA. He is benched in the fourth quarter for Tee Martin, who leads a scoring drive and then leads stacked Tennessee to the national title the following season.

1999 regular season – The Colts roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind second-year phenom Manning. They score 26.4 PPG, third in the NFL.

1999 postseason – Manning completes just 45.2% of his passes with 5.4 YPA and a 62.3 rating as the Colts lose to the Titans, 19-16, playing at home in the Indy dome no less. One and done in the playoffs.

2000 regular season – Manning is brilliant (33 TD, 15 INT, 94.7 rating), while leading the Colts to 26.8 PPG (fourth) and a 10-6 record.

2000 postseason – Manning again struggles to get the ball downfield, completing just 53.1% of his passes for 194 yards, 6.1 YPA and an ordinary 82.0 rating. The Colts lose in Miami, 23-17. One and done in the playoffs.

2002 regular season – The Colts are merely ordinary on offense but go 10-6 and earn a wildcard spot behind one of the league's better defenses: 19.6 PPG (7th). They earn a cushy draw against the 9-7 AFC East champion Jets.

2002 postseason – Manning and the Colts come up lame in one of the most dismal offensive performances in modern playoff history. He completes 45.2% of his passes for 137 yards, 4.4 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT and a 31.2 rating. The Colts are embarrassed by the 9-7 Jets, 41-0. One and done in the playoffs.

2003 regular season – The Colts explode for 27.9 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record and the AFC South crown. Manning wins his first NFL MVP award, sharing the honor with Steve McNair.

2003 postseason – MVP Manning finally enjoys his first postseason success leading the Colts to the AFC title game with a pair of brilliant playoff performances against the Broncos and Chiefs. Then his statistical chariot turned into a pumpkin, with four picks and a 35.5 rating in an ugly 24-14 loss at New England.

2004 regular season – MVP Manning sets the football world abuzz, throwing a record 49 TD passes while leading the Colts to 522 points and a 12-4 record. Manning wins his second consecutive league MVP award.

2004 postseason – Manning is brilliant against the Broncos in the wildcard round, as he was the year before. Then the NFL MVP shits the bed against the Patriots, with just 5.7 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT and a 69.3 rating in a 20-3 loss. Compared to regular-season production, it is arguably the worst offensive performance in the history of the NFL postseason – at least to that point.

2005 regular season – The mighty Colts are teed up on both sides of the ball to win the Super Bowl: No. 2 in scoring offense (27.4 PPG); No. 2 in scoring defense (15.4), on their way to a brilliant 14-2 record and No. 1 seed in the AFC. It sets up a week rest and a home game against the 11-5 Steelers. By now you know how this story ends.

2005 postseason – Manning didn't exactly shit the bed. But after another brilliant regular season, the offense struggles with its worst performance of the year, producing just 3 points through three quarters. The Colts lose at home to the Steelers, 21-18. One and done in the playoffs.

2006 regular season – The Colts score 26.7 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record.

2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

2007 regular season – The defending champs roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind a prolific offense (28.1 PPG; 3rd) and the league's best defense (16.4 PPG; 1st).

2007 postseason – Manning passes for 402 yards and 3 TDs against the visiting Chargers. But the game turns on two costly INTs in San Diego territory at the end of the first half and at the start of the second half. His third-quarter pass was picked off at the San Diego 3, costing the team critical points in a 28-24 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2008 regular season – The Colts go 12-4, led by a defense that's No. 7 in the NFL in scoring (18.6 PPG). They go on the road in the wildcard round, but get another gimme draw against the 8-8 AFC West champion Chargers. With foil Tom Brady out all year with an injury, the path is paved for Manning and the Colts to win their second Super Bowl.

2008 postseason – Manning doesn't shit the bed. But he hardly looks like the NFL's Most Valuable Player against the average San Diego defense. The Colts struggle to find a groove in a 23-17 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2009 regular season – The balanced Colts go 14-2 behind a strong offense (7th in scoring) and defense (8th), and another MVP performance by Manning (33 TD, 16 INT, 99.9 rating).

2009 postseason – Manning advances to the Super Bowl for the second time in his career. The MVP has a chance to tie the game and cement his legend in the fourth quarter. Instead, his pass his picked off by Tracy Porter, who returns it 74 yards for the game-clinching score. Colts lose to the Saints, 31-17, as Manning is outplayed by Drew Brees.

2010 regular season – The Colts struggle through a 10-6 season, but it's still enough to win the AFC South. Manning throws 33 TD passes and again leads one of the best offenses in football (27.2 PPG).

2010 postseason – Manning plays well, passing for 225 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 108.7 rating on 26 attempts. But his team, as usual, suddenly struggles to score points in a critical game. The Colts lose at home to the Jets, 17-16. One and done in the playoffs.

2012 regular season – Manning's first year in Denver is a great success. The Broncos are stacked on both sides of the ball (No. 2 scoring offense; No. 4 scoring defense), go 13-3 and earn the AFC's No. 1 seed.

2012 postseason – Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly Favre-esque across-his-body overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens. The Broncos fail to win a game in which they produced two special teams touchdowns. One and done in the playoffs.

2013 regular season – The Broncos dominate the NFL behind Manning's fifth MVP performance. He throws a record 55 TD passes while leading the first 600-point team in NFL history (606).

2013 postseason – Manning takes shitting the bed to new levels in Super Bowl XLVIII. Hell, he shit all over the floor and the walls, too. Wide-eyed Manning muffs the first snap of the game, handing the Seahawks a gift 2-0 lead. He's picked off in Seattle territory later in the first quarter, and throws a pick-six at the end of the first half.

The greatest offense in NFL history is shutout for nearly three quarters, behind Manning's worst game of the season (5.7 YPA, 73.5 rating). The Denver offense, after scoring 37.9 PPG in the regular season, is humiliated in a 43-8 loss. It is easily the worst postseason offensive performance relative to regular season success in the Super Bowl Era, replacing Manning's 2004 Colts for that dishonor.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...manning/31873/

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Brady feels pressure more ... as he has gotten sacked 60 more times in 50 less games

Genius insight there, guy

Brady gets higher quality pussy.

[ThaVirus]

Funny thing about Chiefs fans ragging on Manning is that he basically embodies everything they live for.

He's got a ton of one and dones. So many that you often have little faith he'll be around in the divisional and championship rounds.. But hey, just get in then anything can happen!

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Peyton's stats aren't really better, though. They're virtually the same outdoors. That's with Brady playing in the north, and Manning getting games in Houston and Jacksonville.

Here, so the stats are seen. From earlier this year (OCT 31), as part of a longer article:



http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...manning/31873/


When it comes to outdoor play:

Brady protects the ball better. Manning throws a little bit longer, to better receivers, and hands off for fewer TDs. The QB rating is essentially the same, and Manning's got the edge in terms of where he's playing outdoor games.

When it comes to indoor play:

Brady, even with the same lesser talent surrounding him, puts up clearly superior numbers to Manning.

And notice this little nugget



There's your TD% differential. Also, Brady puts up more PPG, despite the lesser supporting cast and playing outdoors most of the time.

Look, I get that you're trolling. Hootie doesn't, though. He thinks you're serious. You're going to leave him a very disappointed boy. Let him down easy.

Ugh, I've already dissected this article in a different thread. This guy who wrote this article is wrong about a number of things. Brady's teams do not score more per game. Peyton's teams have a higher PPG.

The difference in their completion percentage outdoors (virtually the same) is larger than the difference in domes (where Brady is supposed to be much better).

Continuously referencing a site that can't even get facts right, and has a clear bias makes you look like an idiot.

[DaNewGuy]

Johnny Manziel is a future Petyton

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

was I the thread starter? pretty easy to ignore a thread as well, guy

Nah, whether I agree or disagree, you are entertaining.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

There is a simple reason why the majority of people (on this site and off) think Peyton Manning is a choker and Tom Brady is clutch:

Baseless assertion.

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

It's because any time Manning loses, it's automatically his fault. Always has been, always will be.

Baseless assertion, and demonstrably false. Usually when Manning loses the media (and sometimes manning himself) blame the offensive line. He threw a pick in the superbowl against the Saints and the media and even the owner blamed Reggie Wayne.

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

When Brady loses, it's always everyone else's fault. The line wasn't good enough. His skill players were hurt. His team was overmatched.

Baseless assertion. Plenty of people on this forum criticize Brady, and some in the media were even advocating benching him early this season.

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

In the history of their careers, Manning has never had line protection issues, his skill players have always been hall of fame caliber, and his coaching has always been superb.

Yes, More than most players yes and particularly in the mid-2000's, and no. THE BEST legit defense for Manning is that he's always been coached by buffoons. I mean winning a SB for Dungy is kinda like winning one for Marty.

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

When he loses, it's 100% on him.

Brady? No. No way. He's never at fault.

At least that's what I've learned watching the two play the last 15 years.

Sounds like you live in a delusion. Is building strawmen usually your strategy for winning arguments?

[jspchief]

This topic is such a great display of why so many people think Hootie is a dickhead.

Someone could easily star a discussion on clutch QBs (subjective by the way, it's a team game and stats don't decide it) and it could grow into a great football discussion. But hootie takes the same topic and just takes a dump all over the discussion because he's incapable of non-douche discourse.

[jjchieffan]

Hey Hootie. Shoot this down.

Tom Brady holds the NFL record for most playoff wins by a quarterback with 18 and the record for most playoff games started (26). Peyton Manning holds the record for most playoff losses with 12

[jjchieffan]

And of course lets not forget. 3 rings for Brady to 1 ring for Mr overrated.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by jspchief

This topic is such a great display of why so many people think Hootie is a dickhead.

Someone could easily star a discussion on clutch QBs (subjective by the way, it's a team game and stats don't decide it) and it could grow into a great football discussion. But hootie takes the same topic and just takes a dump all over the discussion because he's incapable of non-douche discourse.

Well, it WAS made with the intention of calling him out.

[Chiefspants]

if portar had droped th e intercepcion then we'd al remmember Manning winning the SUPER BOWL !!11!!

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

if portar had droped th e intercepcion then we'd al remmember Manning winning the SUPER BOWL !!11!!

They were ****ed either way. Realistically, the odds of Drew not leading them down the field to win were pretty slim. Of course, I realize it's impossible for this board to be objective. Tom's not at fault for 18 - 1, at all. Ya know?

[GoChargers]

Bump for the inevitable chokejob, either tomorrow or next week.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Bump for the inevitable chokejob, either tomorrow or next week.

Bump for chokejob today.

[Hootie]

the way my postseason is going ... probably Indy in a route today