Is Aaron Rodgers GROSSLY overrated?

[Hootie]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ck-experiment/

I watched the entire GB/Det game and I must say...Rodgers has not gotten better at getting rid of the ball. He's got a lot of Alex Smith in him in that regard. He takes a TON of unnecessary sacks. It's bothersome. He also missed a wide open Jordy Nelson when trying to come back on 4th and 5 with a terrible pass 3 yards behind him in a clean pocket...

He's had 1 good playoff run. So has Joe Flacco.

Why does everyone think he's the best QB in the NFL?

I think he's top 5, certainly. But I also don't understand how Tony Romo is a choker, but Aaron Rodgers is not?

I have been grossly unimpressed with Rodgers this year...and in all honesty, the last few postseasons...super meh.

I've said this for a few years now, but...I'd take Russell Wilson over Aaron Rodgers and at this point, I don't even think it's close.

Also, Rodgers is nowhere near Peyton Manning (obvi) or IN HIS PRIME Tom Brady, let's be honest.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Ha

who exactly in the AFC is going to beat him?

Denver is still going to win a minimum of 13 games this year.

John Fox.

He's like Colt 45. Works every time.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Unfortunately, King...I watch the games.

He brought them back down 21-3 against the Patriots and TOM BRADY in that AFC Championship Game (the same game that ended on a Tom Brady INT, how clutch!!)

and he played a very good game against the Bears and a truly elite Bears defense. Tremendously efficient.

I don't give a flying **** about numbers...I watch the games. It's why I don't watch Russell Wilson and then think, "oh gee...he's not that good because his numbers aren't super flashy!"

any football fan that truly thinks Aaron Rodgers is better than Peyton Manning is a fool. That is fact. It's not up for debate.

Like you, numbers mean jackc to me.

Peyton Manning had a horrible two games in the playoffs in that SB run.

He, for once in his post season career, finally engineered a comeback against a declining Patriot defense, a group that he couldn't perform against when they were at the top of their games.

His SB was efficient.

But the fact is, that Colt defense and running game stepped up like never before and carried Manning to that SB.

Manniing is the worst all time great in the clutch when it matters most, and that is the one fact that is really not up for debate.

[Hootie]

and that's been Manning's biggest problem in his career

his coaches have always ****ing sucked

conservative ****ing pussies

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Ha

who exactly in the AFC is going to beat him?

Denver is still going to win a minimum of 13 games this year.

I think it depends on Andy Dalton.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

and that's been Manning's biggest problem in his career

his coaches have always ****ing sucked

conservative ****ing pussies

Yeah, like Manning didn't dictate things on the field.

Tony Dungy was a ****ing puppet.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

hmm

Rivers, who I defend, is thought of in the same manner...

but, of course, he's never been good enough to put them in a situation big enough to really show off his choking and losing abilities

Rivers isn't slurped as the greatest of all time every single year and actually gets criticized for his playoff resume (unlike Fivehead, who gets every excuse made for him). Rivers is also responsible for two of Fivehead's biggest chokes.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by milkman

Like you, numbers mean jackc to me.

Peyton Manning had a horrible two games in the playoffs in that SB run.

He, for once in his post season career, finally engineered a comeback against a declining Patriot defense, a group that he couldn't perform against when they were at the top of their games.

His SB was efficient.

But the fact is, that Colt defense and running game stepped up like never before and carried Manning to that SB.

Manniing is the worst all time great in the clutch when it matters most, and that is the one fact that is really not up for debate.

I think there are a lot of factors that go into winning and losing football games...and when a team loses, I don't go all CP and just simply blame the QB.

Peyton has made some bad plays to lose important games, no doubt. No freaking doubt.

But he's not been any worse or any better than Tom Brady in the same situations...so I'm not sure why Peyton is a "choking loser" but Tom Brady is a "winner!"

It will never make any sense to me.

Thank God for Tom Terrific his kicker was Vinatieri and not Vanderjagt.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Rivers isn't slurped as the greatest of all time every single year and actually gets criticized for his playoff resume (unlike Fivehead, who gets every excuse made for him). Rivers is also responsible for two of Fivehead's biggest chokes.

Chargers defense, not Rivers.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

and that's been Manning's biggest problem in his career

his coaches have always ****ing sucked

conservative ****ing pussies

Except Fivehead is a control freak who insists on calling all the plays from the LOS, so it's on him. Even then, he isn't the only QB to have to put up with shitty coaches.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I think there are a lot of factors that go into winning and losing football games...and when a team loses, I don't go all CP and just simply blame the QB.

Peyton has made some bad plays to lose important games, no doubt. No freaking doubt.

But he's not been any worse or any better than Tom Brady in the same situations...so I'm not sure why Peyton is a "choking loser" but Tom Brady is a "winner!"

It will never make any sense to me.

Thank God for Tom Terrific his kicker was Vinatieri and not Vanderjagt.

Tom Brady has gotten the Pats in FG range when they needed, but you're right, when they've needed TDs, he has failed deliver, always.

He, like Manning is overrated.

Just a question which is more overrated.

That's Manning.

[Hootie]

Peyton lost to the Chargers what...38-35? And you expect me to think he choked in a game where his team scored 35 points and he threw like 4 TDs? Yeah, ok.

Or like it was Peyton's fault when Rahim Moore made the worst defensive play I'll ever see in my life after Peyton engineered a go ahead TD drive late in that 4th quarter? Yeah, ok.

Not buying it. His pick in that OT was terrible, but it should have never gotten that far.

It's a game of inches. It really is. Peyton has been incredibly UNLUCKY in the postseason...which has contributed to his not so good playoff record much more than his "clutch" or "anti-clutch" factor.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Unfortunately, King...I watch the games.

He brought them back down 21-3 against the Patriots and TOM BRADY in that AFC Championship Game (the same game that ended on a Tom Brady INT, how clutch!!)

and he played a very good game against the Bears and a truly elite Bears defense. Tremendously efficient.

I don't give a flying **** about numbers...I watch the games. It's why I don't watch Russell Wilson and then think, "oh gee...he's not that good because his numbers aren't super flashy!"

any football fan that truly thinks Aaron Rodgers is better than Peyton Manning is a fool. That is fact. It's not up for debate.

You can't compare Wilsons numbers which are good to those numbers I posted. There's literally no way to flip those numbers into "He was better than those numbers". What? Was he not throwing more picks than touchdowns? Was he not barely completing passes at a respectable percentage?

Yes, I agree with you. Numbers don't tell the whole story. But they do mean something. Manning threw a pick in every single game he played that post season. He completed less that 60% of his passes twice. There's no way to flip that. With Wilson, you can say that he's playing within an offense that asks him to be conservative and not try to do too much. Was Manning being asked to play terrible?

[Hootie]

I'm 29 years old. I can't comment on Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw etc etc etc

but there is no way I'm ever going to buy that Tom Brady is a better QB than Peyton Manning

They are 1 and 2, no doubt. There is a GIGANTIC gap between those 2 and #3. Peyton is certainly the best I've ever seen and I just don't understand how anyone could think, honestly, that Tom Brady is a better QB than Peyton Manning.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Peyton lost to the Chargers what...38-35? And you expect me to think he choked in a game where his team scored 35 points and he threw like 4 TDs? Yeah, ok.

Or like it was Peyton's fault when Rahim Moore made the worst defensive play I'll ever see in my life after Peyton engineered a go ahead TD drive late in that 4th quarter? Yeah, ok.

Not buying it. His pick in that OT was terrible, but it should have never gotten that far.

It's a game of inches. It really is. Peyton has been incredibly UNLUCKY in the postseason...which has contributed to his not so good playoff record much more than his "clutch" or "anti-clutch" factor.

Hootie just nailed the entire NFL cliche -thread in one fell swoop!

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Peyton lost to the Chargers what...38-35? And you expect me to think he choked in a game where his team scored 35 points and he threw like 4 TDs? Yeah, ok.

Or like it was Peyton's fault when Rahim Moore made the worst defensive play I'll ever see in my life after Peyton engineered a go ahead TD drive late in that 4th quarter? Yeah, ok.

Not buying it. His pick in that OT was terrible, but it should have never gotten that far.

It's a game of inches. It really is. Peyton has been incredibly UNLUCKY in the postseason...which has contributed to his not so good playoff record much more than his "clutch" or "anti-clutch" factor.

There's always a little luck involved, but when you consistently choke, luck is just an excuse to fall back on for consistently failing.