Chiefs Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal - Page 13

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 04:59 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals.

But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul.

"I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person.

It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts.

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees.

That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators.

The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue.

Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23).

But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford.

Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins?

"I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/

I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.

ViperVisor · 08-10-2014, 02:31 AM

Smith doesn't care about the per year number.

If he can get that BIG bonus he knows he has security of being the QB for the team for X many years.

Those deals always get redone and the cap number can be kept under control. Like how Brady has most of his money in the form of bonus and his cap # is under 15mil.

jd1020 · 08-10-2014, 02:32 AM

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It depends on what you consider mediocre. The guy is in the top 3 for winning percentage in the past 3 years. Isn't that what it's all about?

Go ask Peyton Manning if he would trade his #1 regular season win % for another ring.

**Mav** · 08-10-2014, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Go ask Peyton Manning if he would trade his #1 regular season win % for another ring.

I don't understand the comparison. I have admitted that alex Smith isn't a top tier qb. But the object is winning correct? And regardless what personally you think, does he not win?

jd1020 · 08-10-2014, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I don't understand the comparison. I have admitted that alex Smith isn't a top tier qb. But the object is winning correct? And regardless what personally you think, does he not win?

You don't understand that regular season wins count for not a god damn thing?

When people think of Marino, what do they think about? The fact that he won a lot of games or the fact that he never won a SB?

**Mav** · 08-10-2014, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You don't understand that regular season wins count for not a god damn thing?

I understand that. I also know that alex Smith has been in the playoffs the past three years.

And in two of the three playoff games had played like a franchise qb. Does that matter? Careful how you move those goal posts

jd1020 · 08-10-2014, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I understand that. I also know that alex Smith has been in the playoffs the past three years.

Good job Alex. Here's a top 5 contract.

**Mav** · 08-10-2014, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Good job Alex. Here's a top 5 contract.

Who said that? He has a bottom 10 contact right now

jd1020 · 08-10-2014, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Who said that?

Alex?

**Mav** · 08-10-2014, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Alex?

I haven't heard him say he wants a top 5 contact. I heard him say he didn't want a short term deal. I personally haven't heard any numbers.

jd1020 · 08-10-2014, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I haven't heard him say he wants a top 5 contact. I heard him say he didn't want a short term deal. I personally haven't heard any numbers.

You're right.

He's passing on a Dalton deal because he wants $10M annually.

Your love for Alex makes you so ****ing ignorant to the obvious.

**Mav** · 08-10-2014, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You're right.

He's passing on a Dalton deal because he wants $10M annually.

Your love for Alex makes you so ****ing ignorant to the obvious.

Your hate of Alex Smith leaves you incapable of actually comprehending what I said. I said nothing about numbers. I said he wants years. Do you know what alex Smith has asked for number wise?

I have said today if he wants more than 12 mil, then he can go fly a kite.

I'm guessing that the chiefs would want a shorter deal.

jd1020 · 08-10-2014, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Do you know what alex Smith has asked for number wise?

I don't need to know the exact amount of money Alex is asking for when he's passing on $96+ million.

Dalton's contract is structured in a way that if he becomes a franchise QB he'll play out his contract. If he doesn't turn into a franchise QB the Bengals have a way out.

Alex doesn't want that. He wants the money and he doesn't want to look over his shoulder wondering if the team is going to get another QB because he still looks like this after 9 ****ing years...

**Mav** · 08-10-2014, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I don't need to know the exact amount of money Alex is asking for when he's passing on $96+ million.

Dalton's contract is structured in a way that if he becomes a franchise QB he'll play out his contract. If he doesn't turn into a franchise QB the Bengals have a way out.

Alex doesn't want that. He wants the money and he doesn't want to look over his shoulder wondering if the team is going to get another QB because he still looks like this after 9 ****ing years...

Fair enough.

But preseason bro? Should I go get a gif from the last real game he played?

jd1020 · 08-10-2014, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Fair enough.

But preseason bro? Should I go get a gif from the last real game he played?

Preseason and he's still afraid to **** up.

I can't wait til he demands his way out of KC so you **** off.

**Mav** · 08-10-2014, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Preseason and he's still afraid to **** up.

I can't wait til he demands his way out of KC so you **** off.

You are going to be extremely pissed. You wrongly assume I'm here now because of Alex. Yeah, I came here because of him but I fell in love with the chiefs. So feel free to continue your angry juvenile petulant insults.

I'm not offended Sally sensitive.

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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3848675	Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals. But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul. "I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person. It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts. Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me." Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees. That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators. The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue. Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23). But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford. Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins? "I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/ I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.
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ViperVisor Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10019798	Smith doesn't care about the per year number. If he can get that BIG bonus he knows he has security of being the QB for the team for X many years. Those deals always get redone and the cap number can be kept under control. Like how Brady has most of his money in the form of bonus and his cap # is under 15mil.
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