Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 13

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok give me another MLB, keep in mind he needs to basically be a vet leader that only has to play in base defense.

Why do we need a vet? We HAVE a vet. Derrick Johnson. And he doesn't suck (yet).

Why not draft somebody in the middle rounds to fill that position? It's not like if this defense has problems next year it will ALLLL be because we didn't shore up Belcher's LB spot with a vet instead of a rookie

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I just re-read it, laughed my ass off and decided to use it as my sig. And I'm not even a sig guy.

It's just so utterly ridiculous to compare a college QB that isn't even the consensus best QB in the draft to 4-Time Super Bowl Winning QB Joe Montana.

****ing awesome.

I think (potentially) aggressively moving your 1, your 2 and maybe next year's 2 to give your team a brand new QB depth chart of everybody's dream option of a steady-ish vet and a high-upside youngster, would be a phenomenal coup for the Chiefs.

It would mean they landed the best veteran QB on the market in Smith, and the best rookie QB on the market in Geno.

This franchise needs a sea change, much like Herm's sea change in 2006 when he declared a turn away from veterans and a turn towards the NFL Draft and a youth revolution. That revolution still guides this team to this day.

I think Reid's game, should he actually pull this off, could guide future decisions for this franchise for a couple decades, and finally snap the castoff curse.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I might take him 1, I think Hunter is gonna be like Julio Jones.

Oh, hellz no.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Why do we need a vet? We HAVE a vet. Derrick Johnson. And he doesn't suck (yet).

Why not draft somebody in the middle rounds to fill that position? It's not like if this defense has problems next year it will ALLLL be because we didn't shore up Belcher's LB spot with a vet instead of a rookie

Rey Mauluga is on the open market.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:33 AM

Derrick Johnson doesn't suck but he's also not a leader, The Chiefs are full of passive personality guys, they need someone who isn't.

saphojunkie · 03-05-2013, 12:34 AM

All I know is, if we draft Geno, I'm buying a jersey that says "Blacksmith" on it.

Spoiler!

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

Rey Mauluga is on the open market.

There ya go, Mecca. You should love that shit.

Just Passin' By · 03-05-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

Rey Mauluga is on the open market.

He blows

KChiefs1 · 03-05-2013, 12:35 AM

Why are The Planet & KK saying Geno is the next combo of Manning/Brady/RGIII while the rest of the NFL draft experts are saying there are no great QB prospects?

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:35 AM

Our O line is a lot better than what it showed last year because of our ****fest of qb play.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Oh, hellz no.

Then we're stuck taking Joeckel a pass rusher we don't really need unless you want to cut Hali's contract which I'm ok with, or a DL.

Dion Jordan's a guy I really like but I only do that if I'm ready to move on from Hali.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Derrick Johnson doesn't suck but he's also not a leader, The Chiefs are full of passive personality guys, they need someone who isn't.

Eric Winston?

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

He blows

I'm sure he'd be fine as a 2 down thumper ILB that doesn't play in passing downs.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Then we're stuck taking Joeckel a pass rusher we don't really need unless you want to cut Hali's contract which I'm ok with, or a DL.

Dion Jordan's a guy I really like but I only do that if I'm ready to move on from Hali.

True but Hali is a guy we need.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Derrick Johnson doesn't suck but he's also not a leader, The Chiefs are full of passive personality guys, they need someone who isn't.

It's tough to lead a defense when you're a brokedick who can't play.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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